Prison T&C's

[Bagpuss]

I was quite enjoying this debate, let's not turn it into a slanging match about thatcher FFS

[Spacecadet]

The Sun
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Their victims were buried under the floor at their home, at 25 Cromwell Street in Gloucester. Fred West cheated justice by hanging himself in jail.

I'm sure that if and when he was found guilty the Sun would have been the first to call for a re-introduction of the death penalty

[SallyAnne]

Sally I agree that the biggest rise in law and disorder and break up of the family unit was in the 80s, the stats speak for themselves. However, the yobbo culture is all over the country, and we have plenty of jobs to go around these days.

The yobs could be dealt with by bringing back some form of national service, give them a sense of worth and a sense of meaning in their community. I really think it would be a great thing for everyone concerned.

But, I think the yob culture isn't that strongly linked to the UK prison population. Most yobbos probably turn out ok, only a hardcore are going to go on to be problematic.

Actually Bagpuss, we kind of agree on this (it is the season of miracles after all!)

national service, down the pits...both similar things. Things that kids got into at a young age which taught them discipline, respect, etc.
And before that we had 2 World Wars.

Its not supriing all the stats you throw out about "the youth of today" ARE far worse than any other youth in our countries history. Kids have sat on their arses for the last 20 years living the life of Riley!
We shouldn't be asking what has turned them bad, but what has made the good ones good!

[SallyAnne]

I was quite enjoying this debate, let's not turn it into a slanging match about thatcher FFS

Due to your particularly pleasant nature today, I will oblige.

[Phoenix]

I'm sure that if and when he was found guilty the Sun would have been the first to call for a re-introduction of the death penalty

Point well made...but we have to point the finger for the formation of the society we now live in on past Governments...all of them...This liberalisation has gone mad!
Anyone can damage your property etc and claim its OK cos you yourself are insured? That is not the point...why are petty criminals getting away with this sh1t?

[Bagpuss]

Actually Bagpuss, we kind of agree on this (it is the season of miracles after all!)

national service, down the pits...both similar things. Things that kids got into at a young age which taught them discipline, respect, etc.
And before that we had 2 World Wars.

Its not supriing all the stats you throw out about "the youth of today" ARE far worse than any other youth in our countries history. Kids have sat on their arses for the last 20 years living the life of Riley!
We shouldn't be asking what has turned them bad, but what has made the good ones good!

I don't think most of these kids are bad, they're just cheeky feckers who have been lumped in with the small minority of bad ones. They should all do the national service though IMHO, something to bridge the gap between the generations.

[Lucy]

I'm not saying everything she did was bad - I'm not a biased as this lot.
For a starter, my folks bought their council house, and moved us out of the murderous sesspit of an estate we grew up in.
Bavo maggie for that.

But which other reforms are you talking about Lucy?

1. Privatisation of major industry, BA, BT, British Steel, British Rail, Airports, Electricity, Gas etc

2. Labour Market reforms such as the end of compulsory unionism and the end of secret ballots so workers couldn't be bullied into voting for strikes

3. Significant lowering and flattening of the tax rate - it was 97% at the top end when she was elected - thus increasing revenue and reducing avoidance.(Which we should all be grateful for !)

[SallyAnne]

1. Privatisation of major industry, BA, BT, British Steel, British Rail, Airports, Electricity, Gas etc

2. Labour Market reforms such as the end of compulsory unionism and the end of secret ballots so workers couldn't be bullied into voting for strikes

3. Significant lowering and flattening of the tax rate - it was 97% at the top end when she was elected - thus increasing revenue and reducing avoidance.(Which we should all be grateful for !)

I've promised the freakishly nice Bagpuss that I wouldn't, so keep those points for another day!

[Lucy]

I've promised the freakishly nice Bagpuss that I wouldn't, so keep those points for another day!

Yes, I realised after I posted that we had moved on. Such is the slowness of my typing...

[Bagpuss]

Too late now the leftie lables are being printed by the McCarthy witchhunters