The religion of wahhabism

[northernladyuk]

Technically he mentioned the Bible.

Yawn.

The discussion wasn't about adherents - it was about ideology. The koran is explicit in being the verbatim "infallible word of god", stressed over and over again.

Paddy was talking about believers:

Everything in the. Koran must be taken as the truth in order to be a believer.

The Koran may say that it is infallible, but unless you are a fundamentalist, you do not have to accept that it is infallible. It is a circular argument.

[GJABS]

What amazes me is that we have somewhere between 1.5 Billion and 2 Billion Muslims in the world......

There must be something more to the religion that violence otherwise we would all be in trouble! Just think of the guy at the kebab shop or take away. We'd all have been poisoned by now

We are all in trouble.
The only thing we have going for us is that these Islamic terrorists are not organised into a disciplined military machine. Yet.

The guy at the kebab shop won't try to poison us any more than ordinary german soldiers tried to murder the citizens in the occupied countries like France. They used special troops, trains, and concentration camps for that.

[TheGreenBastard]

Yawn.


Paddy was talking about believers:


The Koran may say that it is infallible, but unless you are a fundamentalist, you do not have to accept that it is infallible. It is a circular argument.

The distinction between the two is important, even if it bores your feeble mind.

Most Muslims are ignorant of the Koran, like most Christians aren't biblical Christian theologians - however what I inferred from his quote is that the Koran demands it that you accept it's the infallible word of God.

Only he knows, maybe he can clear it up

[squarepeg]

2 Tim 3:16 "All scripture is from God and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

You could translate it into "there ain't no book so tulipty you can't learn sumtink from it" I suppose...

[northernladyuk]

The distinction between the two is important, even if it bores your feeble mind.

Most Muslims are ignorant of the Koran, like most Christians aren't biblical Christian theologians - however what I inferred from his quote is that the Koran demands it that you accept it's the infallible word of God.

Only he knows, maybe he can clear it up

The Koran is neither a religion or an ideology. It is a book. Paddy and I were discussing believers. Feel free to join in when you are ready.

[TheGreenBastard]

The Koran is neither a religion or an ideology. It is a book. Paddy and I were discussing believers. Feel free to join in when you are ready.

Your pedantry and idiocy are like space, unbounded.

[DimPrawn]

Your pedantry and idiocy are like space, unbounded.

You're wasting your time with these weak liberal minded cretins here.

More intelligent conversations are to be had with your pet hamster.

[WTFH]

You could translate it into "there ain't no book so tulipty you can't learn sumtink from it" I suppose...

You could. The other guy was arguing that the Bible did not claim to be "the word of God." And that only a very select few Christians believed it to be such. When confronted with the facts, he then couldn't even cope with the difference between who wrote a letter and the person it was written to, then wanted to go with only the OT, not the NT.
But hey, if he thinks he's more intelligent because he can't read, then maybe we should leave him to drown in his self-belief, since facts confuse him too much.

Note, I am not arguing as to whether a book is right or not, I'm pointing out what is written in it.

[sbakoola]

Morrisey is on the warpath...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...orism-response

I was happy in the haze of a bacon hour
But heaven knows I'm miserable now

I was looking for a bomb, and then I found a bomb
And heaven knows I'm miserable now

In my life
Why do I give valuable time
To people who don't care if I live or die?

Two bombers entwined pass me by
And heaven knows I'm miserable now

I was looking for a bomb, and then I found a bomb
And heaven knows I'm miserable now

In my life
Oh, why do I give valuable time
To people who don't care if I live or die?

What she asked of me at the end of the day
Caliphate would have blushed

"Oh, you've been in the mosque too long" she said
And I naturally fled

In my life
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?

I was happy in the haze of a bacon hour
But heaven knows I'm miserable now

"Oh, you've been in the mosque too long" she said
And I naturally fled

In my life
Oh, why do I give valuable time
To people who don't care if I live or die?

[NotAllThere]

Ideologically, where does the Bible state it's the word of God in its entirety? "And God said..." doesn't count.

2 Tim 3:16 "All scripture is from God and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

Obviously the majority (conservative) view is that scripture being God breathed (which is translated as "from" above), means that it is the Word of God, but that's an interpretive stance. And equally obviously, the phrase has entered the English language as a synonym for scripture/the Bible. However, TheGreenBastard's view is not without support. That verse says scripture is inspired by God. Nowhere is it explicitly stated that scripture is the Word of God. That phrase, when it appears, applies only to Jesus, or when God communicated with individuals.

The main difference theologically between the Bible and the Koran is that men were inspired as they wrote what became the Bible. When Paul wrote a letter to a church or and individual (even Tim), there's no indication that he considered what he wrote to be scripture. That was determined later.

The Koran was dictated to Mohammed by Allah. Mohammed says that every word came directly from Allah. The Koran as a published book must be looked after and treated reverentially, because the book itself is a holy object. The Bible is not, in my experience, considered to be a holy object. It is the words that are in it that are important.

TL;DR - I think there is a fundamental difference in the approach most Christians take towards the Bible and the approach most Muslims take towards the Koran.