More Daily Mail Anti-Europe Rhetoric

[vetran]

No. This story has been doing the rounds since 2010 (possibly earlier) but now the original protagnist has given it the moniker 'Brexit Virus', although I would like to see proof that it is caused by imported pork, then the press has jumped on it. Back in 2010 this wouldn't have made such an impression and goes how to show how the press play on people's mindsets

Cases have trebled and are now in the thousands. A new paper was released.

Seeing that like food poisoning likely to be under reported - it looks like flu then its a worry as many more cases may be out there. If you are immuno suppressed then its VERY dangerous.

We of course ignored the formica in baby food, GM foods from the US & the horsemeat from the EU. None of them made the front page did they?

[vetran]

The problem is not the story being fake news, looks like the virus is real, the problem is with the rhetoric and the made up numbers.


What has this virus has to do with Brexit, to name it such, - The Expert who is investigating it I would imagine he believes if we were not in the EU then this may not of spread to the UK.

and where did the 60k/year figure came from? - It was made up by Public Health England no idea what they do, maybe they are itinerant IT bods who think they know about porcine disease?

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From the Times:

Beware the full English. Tens of thousands of Britons are being infected with a potentially deadly liver virus in bacon, saus*ages, pork pies and salami mostly imported from Europe, say doctors.

The new strain of hepatitis E (HEV) linked to pig farms in France, Holland, Germany and Denmark is infecting more than 60,000 people in Britain a year.

Most suffer a nasty flu-like *illness but new figures from Public Health England (PHE) show a surge in serious illnesses, from 368 in 2010 to 1,244 in 2016. Transplant patients and pregnant women are especially at risk. “The number of HEV cases tripled from 2010 to 2015 . . . with a trend to*wards more severe and prolonged illness,” said the PHE scientists in a paper.

[sasguru]

The article is from 2012 FFS. Assguru keeping up to date with the news as usual.

Yes the point is that the Fail has been making stuff up since at least the start of the editorship of Dacre.
What do you do for a living again? I don't believe it's C++ development as you're too thick for that.
Or you're shit at it.

[sal]

Ignoring the fact they have no way of tracing the origin of the meat every infected individual ate and laying the blame for specific cases on specific countries is pure speculation. Even then, you can probably blame certain countries but blaming the EU membership for this is laughable as it has little to do with this.

It was made up by Public Health England no idea what they do, maybe they are itinerant IT bods who think they know about porcine disease?

Most suffer a nasty flu-like *illness but new figures from Public Health England (PHE) show a surge in serious illnesses, from 368 in 2010 to 1,244 in 2016.

I might not know anything about porcine diseases, but i know math enough to know that the numbers don't add up to 60000. Even with a level of underreporting it's still a made up number with no backing up data with a single purpose - headlines.

[vetran]

Ignoring the fact they have no way of tracing the origin of the meat every infected individual ate and laying the blame for specific cases on specific countries is pure speculation. Even then, you can probably blame certain countries but blaming the EU membership for this is laughable as it has little to do with this.





I might not know anything about porcine diseases, but i know math enough to know that the numbers don't add up to 60000. Even with a level of underreporting it's still a made up number with no backing up data with a single purpose - headlines.

I think you will find they use a thing called Science to find out where it came from quite an old branch of medicine.

Patient Zero and Typhoid Mary | Public Health

Not the paper's figure it comes from the experts. You of course are not n expert in this subject.

[darmstadt]

I think you will find they use a thing called Science to find out where it came from quite an old branch of medicine.

Patient Zero and Typhoid Mary | Public Health

Not the paper's figure it comes from the experts. You of course are not n expert in this subject.

Nope, but the Mail and the rest of the right wing media are experts in twisting words so that the gullible masses will believe them...

I suspect that the right wing press have been reading this guy:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”

“Think of the press as a great keyboard
on which the government can play.”

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”

“That propaganda is good which leads to success, and that is bad which fails to achieve the desired result. It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.”

The best propaganda is that which, as it were, works invisibly, penetrates the whole of life without the public having any knowledge of the propagandistic initiative.

England is a capitalist democracy. Germany is a socialist people's state. And it is not the case that we think England is the richest land on earth. There are lords and City men in England who are in fact the richest men on earth. The broad masses, however, see little of this wealth. We see in England an army of millions of impoverished, socially enslaved, and oppressed people. Child labor is still a matter of course there. They have only heard about social welfare programs. Parliament occasionally discusses social legislation. Nowhere else is there such terrible and horrifying inequality as in the English slums.

[sal]

I think you will find they use a thing called Science to find out where it came from quite an old branch of medicine.

Patient Zero and Typhoid Mary | Public Health

Not the paper's figure it comes from the experts. You of course are not n expert in this subject.

Tracing patient zero is one thing, tracing where the sausages that all the affected patients supposedly had picked up the disease from came from a specific country is a different matter.

If they had this data why isn't anyone pointing fingers ad supermarket chains that sold the infected sausages? They made a very big deal of the horse meat scandal which was more or less harmless.

If it comes from EU where plenty of nations are consuming much more pork than the UK, where is the evidence of 100'000's of cases in Europe?

Or are you so thick to believe this is an act of sabotage and the infected pigs are only sold in the UK...

[OwlHoot]

Can someone explain how Brexit will stop viruses spreading.

With less habitual contact with continentals and their virus ridden pigs our resistance to these diseases will start reducing.

I'm worried now. Maybe I should have voted Remain after all!

[WTFH]

Can someone explain how Brexit will stop viruses spreading.

It could actually be a benefit to the health of the nation. If the UK stops importing cheap meat from abroad and only buys British, then as long as the farmers maintain animal husbandry standards, then the quality of meat available in the UK will improve.
This is good for our health.
Secondly, the price of meat will increase substantially to the point that many people who believe in eating meat 2x a day, 7 days a week, will have to reduce their meat consumption and eat more fish, vegetables and fruit.
This is also good for health.
But that won't last as people will cry out at the prices, so the supermarkets, etc, will start importing from further afield, where the quality and care for the animals is less important, because we're in the "I want" generation, many of whom don't care about the wider impact of their individual decisions, choosing to blame others.

[vetran]

Tracing patient zero is one thing, tracing where the sausages that all the affected patients supposedly had picked up the disease from came from a specific country is a different matter.

If they had this data why isn't anyone pointing fingers ad supermarket chains that sold the infected sausages? They made a very big deal of the horse meat scandal which was more or less harmless.

If it comes from EU where plenty of nations are consuming much more pork than the UK, where is the evidence of 100'000's of cases in Europe?

Or are you so thick to believe this is an act of sabotage and the infected pigs are only sold in the UK...

As Patient Zero is a Pig in this case I'm not sure about your obsession with Sausages.

They used the same methodology with BSE to find out the origin.

As the disease is more prevalent on the continent it does seem likely it originated there, but guess what an expert in this who spent years investigating actually said that is where it came from. I'm basing my opinion on facts not the defence of the EU.