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Are IT developers the stupidest people on earth ?

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    #11
    Originally posted by VectraMan View Post
    If the computer industry is good at one thing it's finding new ways to reinvent old stuff. It won't be long before we're again coding in machine language and banging hex codes onto a floppy disk using an MS-DOS sector editor, except it'll have a trendy new name and everybody under 30 will think it's a revolutionary approach to developing software.
    +1

    ARM templates are nothing more than fancy IBM JCL.
    "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
    - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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      #12
      Originally posted by cojak View Post
      fancy IBM JCL.
      Fancy IBM JCL is...

      ... Rexx
      "Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark Twain

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        #13
        Originally posted by Cirrus View Post
        Fancy IBM JCL is...

        ... Rexx
        Er, not quite but I see where you're coming from. REXX is a scripting language which you can use to create, and in some cases, replace JCL. JCL has changed a lot of the past few years and I suspect that people who worked with it 20 years ago wouldn't fully recognise a lot of JCL now...
        Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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          #14
          What do we want? A new anorak
          When do we want it? I will ask my accountant.

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            #15
            Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
            Er, not quite but I see where you're coming from. REXX is a scripting language which you can use to create, and in some cases, replace JCL. JCL has changed a lot of the past few years and I suspect that people who worked with it 20 years ago wouldn't fully recognise a lot of JCL now...
            Oh I don't doubt that Darmie, but the principles are the same.
            "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
            - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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              #16
              Originally posted by Cirrus View Post
              Fancy IBM JCL is...

              ... Rexx
              Damn! Should've kept those ARexx books...
              You're awesome! Get yourself a t-shirt.

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                #17
                Originally posted by cojak View Post
                +1

                ARM templates are nothing more than fancy IBM JCL.
                In that case, it's better to put ARM in my CV because if I maintain the JCL the youngers don't know what it is.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by europetractor View Post
                  I can't think of any other profession where people are actively working to put themselves out of work by automating their job. IT workers need a world union.
                  In what way are IT developers automating their jobs? They are automating everyone else's.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by tomtomagain View Post
                    In what way are IT developers automating their jobs? They are automating everyone else's.
                    ^^ this.

                    I've loved programming since I was a teenager in the 80s and now approaching middle age I find that the demand and rates for developers are increasing, contrary to what I believed would happen 10 years ago.
                    Programming/developing at the top level is an art as well as a science and it won't be automated any time soon, not in the next 10 years anyway. Of course I may be wrong about that.
                    Hard Brexit now!
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                      ^^ this.

                      I've loved programming since I was a teenager in the 80s and now approaching middle age I find that the demand and rates for developers are increasing, contrary to what I believed would happen 10 years ago.
                      Programming/developing at the top level is an art as well as a science and it won't be automated any time soon, not in the next 10 years anyway. Of course I may be wrong about that.
                      I started programming when I was about 11 on a ZX81. And have probably coded most days since ( certainly every week ). Even when I became a "manager" for a few years, which was nice because it went back from being just a day-job to a passion.

                      If you take five minutes to think about the enormous advances over the last 3 decades in coding and development it's mindblowing. The changes in languages, libraries, development techniques, approaches and "best practice" is amazing. A competent programmer today is vastly more efficient ( efficient == being able to deliver a system to meet a customer requirement ) than a competent programmer of 30 years ago simply because of the advances in the dev. tools available to her.

                      Some people think it's getting easier. But that forgets the fact that we're tackling bigger, more complicated problems. I expect the development teams working for Tesla, Apple & Google et al on self-driving cars don't think it's getting easier.


                      I believe we've only just started. Humans have been building bridges for 3000 years. We've only been coding for 60.

                      Here's to the next 30 years of coding!

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