Oh Goody they put their most reasonable negotiator on it

[sasguru]

What commitments are we not honouring. Most, if not all, of these commitments are through the various treaties we have signed.

Article 50 says that we are released from these commitments after 2 years if there is no deal.



As long as we keep paying for 2 years - we are released at end. That's our obligation. After that, we are not obliged to pay a penny.

Article 50 is basically a pre-nup to any divorce (strictly speaking a postnup as we were already an EU member). It's the rest of the EU - who now realise what they agreed to when they signed the Lisbon treaty - that now want to renege upon it.

Wow you managed to become a legal expert while being an IT contractor. Kudos.

[WTFH]

Oh goody, we're going to be released from the commitment of being able to sell into Europe without tariffs
We're going to be released from the commitment of being able to buy raw materials from Europe without tariffs for our massive manufacturing industry.
We're going to have the opportunity to open up disused manufacturing plants, such as Nissan in Sunderland.
It's all good news.

...and don't forget that if Europe decide to negotiate rather than just give everything away, then it's not the fault of Brexit but of those nasty Europeans.

[WTFH]

I hope for your sake you never act as your own lawyer

He's represented BrilloPad 3 times so far.

[PurpleGorilla]

Oh Goody they put their most reasonable negotiator on it

Aah, snowflake BTW, this should be signed soon: http://eu-japan.com/eu-japan-agreeme...-negotiations/

This is good for the EU undoubtably.

As is the free trade agreement between the EU and Canada.

And the South Korean and Singapore agreements which are on track too.

So if other countries can have free trade agreements with the EU without all the FOM nonsense. Why can't the UK?

The answer is that it can, and it will. But it may take a while to get there.

[darmstadt]

This is good for the EU undoubtably.

As is the free trade agreement between the EU and Canada.

And the South Korean and Singapore agreements which are on track too.

So if other countries can have free trade agreements with the EU without all the FOM nonsense. Why can't the UK?

The answer is that it can, and it will. But it may take a while to get there.

And that is the crux of the argument! How long has it taken the EU? Just think how long it will take the UK and what will happen in the interim period...By not leaving the EU then they would not have to renegotiate these agreements which could, in theory, be worse than the existing ones...

[Eirikur]

I will be laughing as I'm one of the few contracting Brits who also has an EU passport, picking up those well paying contracts in the EU and especially Switzerland after Brexit. The brexiteers will rot away in their derelict seaside towns with nothing else to do but trying and failing to restore their collapsed piers and rusty amusement parks, but hey they have "freedom" and their own undemocratically elected houses of Parliament

[northernladyuk]

Dunno why I bother, you're too stupid to be taken seriously. Even SB has some idea of reality.

And he voted to join the Narnia and Archenland Free Trade Area.

[jamesbrown]

I hope for your sake you never act as your own lawyer

For anyone that wants an informed legal opinion, try paras 133-137, here.

[vetran]

For anyone that wants an informed legal opinion, try paras 133-137, here.

so the EU cocked it up and are trying it on - oh what a surprise.

On the basis of the legal opinions we have considered we conclude that, as a matter of EU law, Article 50 TEU allows the UK to leave the EU without being liable for outstanding financial obligations under the EU budget and related financial instruments, unless a withdrawal agreement is concluded which resolves this issue.

Oh Dear.

[PurpleGorilla]

Oh Goody they put their most reasonable negotiator on it

And that is the crux of the argument! How long has it taken the EU? Just think how long it will take the UK and what will happen in the interim period...By not leaving the EU then they would not have to renegotiate these agreements which could, in theory, be worse than the existing ones...

Firstly, the precedent has been set by Canada, with other deals in the making.

The more you do - the better you get - and the more common material can be reused. So I am confident that in principal the EU UK deal will be quicker.

Combine that with our already compliant position on regulations, again that makes the process easier.

I don't expect a FTA in 2 years, but I do anticipate it taking less than 10.

Let's say it takes 7 years.

For the 5 years until it gets there, we will IMHO have an interim 'business as usual' deal.

This seems to me to be the most likely outcome.