Another racist bashing immigrants

[darmstadt]

You're only not forced because you are an EU citizen. As I understand it non-EU immigrants in Germany have to pass a language and integration test.

As an aside on naturalising in UK you have to swear an oath to the Queen, and optionally to God.

If an EU citizen wants to get German citizenship or just dual nationality they will have to be able to speak German up to B1 level. First you have to do an integration test which consists of 30 questions about Germany and 3 about the state you live in and its in German so without a reasonable knowledge of German, you ain't going to pass. EU citizens do have it slightly easier in that for the B1 certificate they don't really need to go to classes along with other various criteria (quite a few of my friends who have retired now and have been in the country a long time have only had to do the integration test to get dual nationality for instance.) You also have to prove that you have no criminal record, actually live in the town where you wish to apply and prove that you have an income.

[vetran]

If an EU citizen wants to get German citizenship or just dual nationality they will have to be able to speak German up to B1 level. First you have to do an integration test which consists of 30 questions about Germany and 3 about the state you live in and its in German so without a reasonable knowledge of German, you ain't going to pass. EU citizens do have it slightly easier in that for the B1 certificate they don't really need to go to classes along with other various criteria (quite a few of my friends who have retired now and have been in the country a long time have only had to do the integration test to get dual nationality for instance.) You also have to prove that you have no criminal record, actually live in the town where you wish to apply and prove that you have an income.

All reasonable IMHO requirements.

[vetran]

Was watching a British movie last night on the iMac, a line in it was "Bleeding ****, taking over the country, they're all over the place..."

Was the first Steptoe and Son movie; from 1972........

Nothing much changes.....

Yes it does, the vast majority of people would be horrified if you said that in public now. Watch rising Damp & In Sickness and in Health to realise how far we have come.

What we are now dealing with is the failure of successive governments to manage immigration properly resulting in ghettos & disorder. If you want to paint that as racist you are a big part of the problem.

[stek]

Yes it does, the vast majority of people would be horrified if you said that in public now. Watch rising Damp & In Sickness and in Health to realise how far we have come.

What we are now dealing with is the failure of successive governments to manage immigration properly resulting in ghettos & disorder. If you want to paint that as racist you are a big part of the problem.

Well ok, ignore the racist term, the sentiments are exactly the same though, locals complaining about immigrants........

[Antman]

You're only not forced because you are an EU citizen. As I understand it non-EU immigrants in Germany have to pass a language and integration test.

As an aside on naturalising in UK you have to swear an oath to the Queen, and optionally to God.

My wife naturalised this year and in the ceremony the room was split in one half who swore allegiance to the Queen and the other half who made an affirmation.

[stek]

My wife naturalised this year and in the ceremony the room was split in one half who swore allegiance to the Queen and the other half who made an affirmation.

"I (your full name) swear by Almighty God that on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her heirs and successors according to law."

"I (your full name) do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that on becoming a British Citizen I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her heirs and successors according to law."

Both swear allegiance! My partner did it in Jan 2015, we went all through this at the time cos she's a total atheist (as am I) but does it really matter etc...

She's from Russia, so anything is better than Putin, and would nominally be Orthodox, which is still God, in the end I can't remember what she did.....

[LondonManc]

Well it rather depends on the nature of the work. Bit of a blanket statement that you need English to work here... also are you meaning half-decent English or rudimentary equivalent to Schoolboy French?

Use the B1 standard for benefits like JSA. Would see massive savings in Birmingham and Newcastle and that's just from the white population.

[Bee]

Yes it does, the vast majority of people would be horrified if you said that in public now. Watch rising Damp & In Sickness and in Health to realise how far we have come.

What we are now dealing with is the failure of successive governments to manage immigration properly resulting in ghettos & disorder. If you want to paint that as racist you are a big part of the problem.

Once the ghettos are established, it's very difficult to manage. People from ghettos will start to call the friends to came to UK, and then the friend from the friend will also call another friend... etc...They feell integrated because they have the support of the community even if they don't speak English. If they speak English but if they don't mix or not have an incentive to participate in the society/culture, will not make much difference. I define ghettos like closed communities where the locals feel reluctant and not comfortable/unsafe to enter in that communities.

[vetran]

Well ok, ignore the racist term, the sentiments are exactly the same though, locals complaining about immigrants........

No they are not, but carry on smearing people as racists without evidence.

That was most of the point of this thread. Only a member of an ethnic minority could put forward a recommendation that is common sense and implemented in other countries. If you read any posts I actually suggested they were excessive.

[vetran]

Once the ghettos are established, it's very difficult to manage. People from ghettos will start to call the friends to came to UK, and then the friend from the friend will also call another friend... etc...They feell integrated because they have the support of the community even if they don't speak English. If they speak English but if they don't mix or not have an incentive to participate in the society/culture, will not make much difference. I define ghettos like closed communities where the locals feel reluctant and not comfortable/unsafe to enter in that communities.

So true then the isolation makes them judge normality different.

If you look at the reaction to the M62 killing they are comparing a guy identified (but not convicted) as a Drug dealer to the 'martyr' Mark Duggan. Both appear very unpleasant and very deserving of their fate with what little I know and I suspect the death will be judged legal. However as he is 'one of ours' then he is a 'Bro' and '50' murdered him.

I suspect this is why radicalisation is taking hold.

We need to resolve this ghettoisation and bring people into the British way of life.