Lorry kills nine at Christmas market

[northernladyuk]

Pretty sick if the motive was purely on a deportation matter. Not that any reason is justified.

Careful now. You're so sharp, you might cut yourself.

[OwlHoot]

So the fallout from the holocaust post 1945 was britain's responsibility ? That the misery that the Germans caused suddenly is no longer their responsibility either?

That is an interesting one.

Standard left-wing dogma don'tcha know

[NotAllThere]

So the fallout from the holocaust post 1945 was britain's responsibility ?

No

That the misery that the Germans caused suddenly is no longer their responsibility either?

No

Standard left-wing dogma don'tcha know

Bollox. Be a good chap and read a few history books*. When you're less ignorant we can discuss it.

* And a book on basic logical reasoning would help as well.

[Mainframe gent]

NoNo

Bollox. Be a good chap and read a few history books*. When you're less ignorant we can discuss it.

* And a book on basic logical reasoning would help as well.

I thought you said that everything that happened post 1945 was the responsibility of Britain? Anyway it doesn't really matter . The way the muslims see it is if it wasn't for Germany there would not be anything like as many Jews living in what is now Israel. Also the Germans have a capitalist way of life and so called freedoms that muslims do not like so why not bomb them?

[NotAllThere]

I thought you said that everything that happened post 1945 was the responsibility of Britain?

Nope. I said the Allies not British, and rather than "everything", I meant specifically the creation of Israel, as that was the context of the post I was responding to. Without the Balfour Declaration and the British Mandate, Israel would not have come into existence in 1945.

If it wasn't for the Germans there may well have been many many more Jews living in the Middle East. Up to 6 million more.

Hitler, Nazism and WW2 were the creation of the vindictive Versailles agreement. This does not obviate German culpability, but the reasons for WW2 are rather more complex than "it was Germany's fault".

[Mainframe gent]

Nope. I said the Allies not British, and rather than "everything", I meant specifically the creation of Israel, as that was the context of the post I was responding to. Without the Balfour Declaration and the British Mandate, Israel would not have come into existence in 1945.

OK but I would not be surprised if muslims saw that the majority of israelis came as a result of German policy of wiping out jews. Which is why they are justified in attacking Germany as well as Britain.

[NotAllThere]

OK but I would not be surprised if muslims saw that the majority of israelis came as a result of German policy of wiping out jews. Which is why they are justified in attacking Germany as well as Britain.

Perhaps you wouldn't be. But the if there's any animosity towards Germany from any Muslim groups it's because
1) They didn't succeed in wiping out the Jews, and/or
2) They're the West, so a legitimate target, and/or
3) They're a legitimate target because they're part of the anti-ISIS coalition.

HTH

I've met many different kinds of Muslims over the years, and I've never heard one complain that Germany is responsible for Israel's existence.

[Mainframe gent]

Perhaps you wouldn't be. But the if there's any animosity towards Germany from any Muslim groups it's because
1) They didn't succeed in wiping out the Jews, and/or
2) They're the West, so a legitimate target, and/or
3) They're a legitimate target because they're part of the anti-ISIS coalition.

HTH

I've met many different kinds of Muslims over the years, and I've never heard one complain that Germany is responsible for Israel's existence.

There clearly is a great deal of resentment towards Germany as you can see. Like the rest of the west we need to rail back capitalism and some of our liberal laws and give more help to these middle east countries who have been exploited for Oil and having the Israeli state imposed upon them.

[original PM]

Not very PC I guess but...

[stek]

Nope. As the losing party of WW2, anything that happened after that is entirely the responsibility of allied forces.

Yes. Balfour declaration 1917. And partitioning was a British invention (to keep various factions fighting each other, and so leave Britain in peace - which didn't work entirely as planned...).

Britain did the same by creating or being largely involved in creating Afghanistan as a Putinesque buffer zone between the British Raj and the Russian Empire as was.

That went well...