[Merged]US election stuff

[WTFH]

so what do you suggest is done to create more wealth then Einstein?

You need to play the long game - improve education. Get kids in the country that can think and design things because of their intelligence and skills, then you can build from there.

As long as the big universities are full of snowflakes who are in the image of Trump - got there because of daddy's money, except everyone to listen to them, when things go wrong they cry "foul", etc, then you've got no hope.

[pjclarke]

there you go confusing them with facts again!

One thing we've learned recently is that facts are no longer a currency in political discourse. America has just elected a president who believes that every science academy in the world is conspiring to propagate a massive hoax instigated by the Chinese (or more likely, he doesn't believe it but knows his supporters do and the planet can go ***** itself so long as he WINS).

Or just go to the fact-checking that occurred after the TV debates; Trump told porkie after porkie apparently with impunity.

Ignorance is becoming a valid, not to say celebrated, standpoint.

But the idea that tax cuts stimulated revenues is not, actually, a fact. As a proportion of GDP, tax revenue declined under Reagan.

By conveniently pointing to places where tax cuts were enacted at or around the time of a recovery or boom, tax cut advocates argue that tax cuts increase revenue. The problem with this is that the revenue increases following the Bush and Reagan tax cuts are dwarfed by the revenue increase following Bill Clinton’s tax increase on the wealthiest Americans. In fact, as a percentage of GDP, post-Reagan & Bush tax cut revenue falls below the 1965-2005 average. In other words, revenue increased because the economy was recovering/growing, and the tax cuts have little (probably nothing) to do with growth in GDP. if anything, these tax cuts actually lowered revenue increased from what they would have been otherwise. So the real question to ask is this: how much revenue did these tax cuts cost us?

Do Tax Cuts Increase Revenues? No, Tax cuts do not Increase Revenue - Fact and Myth

[WTFH]

If you're bored... http://www.usatoday.com/pages/intera...rump-lawsuits/

[SueEllen]

One thing we've learned recently is that facts are no longer a currency in political discourse. America has just elected a president who believes that every science academy in the world is conspiring to propagate a massive hoax instigated by the Chinese (or more likely, he doesn't believe it but knows his supporters do and the planet can go ***** itself so long as he WINS).

Or just go to the fact-checking that occurred after the TV debates; Trump told porkie after porkie apparently with impunity.

Hillary was caught telling lies as well.

The issue with her lies was they depended on the narrative you believed so were harder to detect.

There as Trump's were so blatant his supporters decided which ones they personally would take seriously. Only to find out now once he's been elected they shouldn't have believed any of them.

Either way regardless of who is president life for the poorest in the US won't improve. Both parties believe in free market economics, which includes globalisation.

Also calling the Democrats left wing is amusing as both US parties are to the right of the Conservative party in the UK. May's speech when she became PM would be considered socialist in US eyes.

[pjclarke]

And what exactly have the liberal left done for these people?

Well, despite the fact that he took office in the immediate aftermath of the global financial crisis, caused of course by the banks over-aggressive pursuit of profit in an under regulated free market, under Obama homicides dropped 13%, 9.265 million jobs were created, unemployment fell 5%, long term unemployment fell by 614,000, the stock market rose +139%, earnings rose 3.4%, the number without medical insurance fell by 15.3 million, wind and solar power was up 273%, and exports rose 31%.

[pjclarke]

Hillary was caught telling lies as well.

No doubt. We seem to be in a post-truth environment, where facts count for little and ignorance is celebrated. When did this happen? I thought deference was meant to be a thing of the past and yet people still seem to hold politicians to a pretty low standard when it comes to veracity.

Trump's attitude and behaviour towards women, as illustrated by the 'pussy-grabbing' tape would be sufficient to get most public employees sacked (for example, a head teacher). I don't get it. Most professions have the ability to debar people for 'behaviour likely to bring the profession into disrepute'. Just how low is this bar for the political class?

Or, to put it another way ...

As the Cook Report notes today, newspaper investigations cemented into the public mind the pre-existing image of Donald Trump as a bad person, as exit polls showed that 60 percent of voters viewed him unfavorably. But that didn’t keep 15 percent of those who thought he was deplorable from voting for him. Likewise, 63 percent of voters believe Trump lacked the right “temperament” to be president. But of those respondents, 20 percent said what the hell and voted for him anyway. And 60 percent of voters said he wasn’t qualified to be president—and you can guess the rest: 18 percent of them voted for him.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...6-media-214442

[darmstadt]

He really is an an out and out ******:

[GB9]

Well, despite the fact that he took office in the immediate aftermath of the global financial crisis, caused of course by the banks over-aggressive pursuit of profit in an under regulated free market, under Obama homicides dropped 13%, 9.265 million jobs were created, unemployment fell 5%, long term unemployment fell by 614,000, the stock market rose +139%, earnings rose 3.4%, the number without medical insurance fell by 15.3 million, wind and solar power was up 273%, and exports rose 31%.

So he took over at the low point and things improved, as they did across the whole world. The stock market had just fallen 50% so in reality he got it back just above where it had been.

Good to get rid of the UK hating muppet.

[pjclarke]

And nobody could ever describe him as consistent in his policies, check out the signatories under 'T'

[cojak]

I'm working on the premise that nothing is as good or as bad as it first appears.

This is what democracy is about. Both candidates were rubbish. Now America has to make it work.