Virtue signalling foul mouthed songstress

[meridian]

Are impoverished Syrians aware of international refugee law? It's all well and good saying they should sit in an orderly queue filling in forms but is that realistic? When they arrive there is there anywhere to claim refugee status who will feed and house them or would they have to sit starving for days/weeks until their forms come through... it can take weeks even in the UK to get your JSA started so who knows how long a million Syrians would have to queue!

Leaving aside whether or not the majority of people in The Jungle are Syrians (they're not), did they fly into France? Or did they cross multiple Western European countries that have refugee facilities that are exactly the same as ours.

Do you think that the UK can process claims any faster than France, Italy, Germany, etc? Your argument makes no sense. People living in The Jungle are using emotional blackmail to get you to ignore international borders (just as they have) for no other reason than their own economic migration. If it was about their own personal safety from persecution in their home country, well, they're safe from that in France.

[vetran]

I would like to take this opportunity to apologise on behalf of Lily Allen for inflicting those dreadful songs on the world.

[d000hg]

She is a millionaire she could dip into her pocket first its like Geldof & Boneo making poverty history whilst making minimum tax payments etc. If they want to fix it look at Mr & Mrs Gates or Warren Buffett.

a)How do you know she isn't? b)Like I said it isn't about fund-raising. c)20m isn't very much of you can convince others to give £100m. You don't see business leaders like Musk self-funding their projects even though they can afford to... no they put up a few % and then go looking for investors.

Also - it's all well and good talking about the humane thing to do with people fleeing their homes. But what about those who already reached Calais et al. Shutting the stable door doesn't fix that problem, neither does saying they shouldn't have been allowed to get this far... they have so now what? Genuinely, what should happen to them? Sending them clothes and food and so on is great but then they're clothed and fed in a tent city illegally, they still need to be housed somewhere.

Leaving aside whether or not the majority of people in The Jungle are Syrians (they're not), did they fly into France? Or did they cross multiple Western European countries that have refugee facilities that are exactly the same as ours.

What has this got to do with anything that we're discussing?

Do you think that the UK can process claims any faster than France, Italy, Germany, etc?

No. But if they spread out to lots of countries that is probably going to be faster than saying one country has to deal with 1m+ people showing up wanting asylum. Nobody has the infrastructure to cope with that and I rather think that when fleeing a war-torn country, the legality of your refugee status is probably not that high on your priorities.

You also seem to be implying all these people are coming to Calais/UK. I'm sure I read there are a million or more fleeing Syria alone plus all those others you're so quick to point out. I don't think there are millions of people living in the Jungle so surely that supports the argument they are spreading out across Europe, and only a minority make it as far as the Channel? i.e. we like to talk about how they all set their sights on the UK but in reality most don't.

[DodgyAgent]

a)How do you know she isn't? b)Like I said it isn't about fund-raising. c)20m isn't very much of you can convince others to give £100m. You don't see business leaders like Musk self-funding their projects even though they can afford to... no they put up a few % and then go looking for investors.

Also - it's all well and good talking about the humane thing to do with people fleeing their homes. But what about those who already reached Calais et al. Shutting the stable door doesn't fix that problem, neither does saying they shouldn't have been allowed to get this far... they have so now what? Genuinely, what should happen to them? Sending them clothes and food and so on is great but then they're clothed and fed in a tent city illegally, they still need to be housed somewhere.

What has this got to do with anything that we're discussing?

No. But if they spread out to lots of countries that is probably going to be faster than saying one country has to deal with 1m+ people showing up wanting asylum. Nobody has the infrastructure to cope with that and I rather think that when fleeing a war-torn country, the legality of your refugee status is probably not that high on your priorities.

You also seem to be implying all these people are coming to Calais/UK. I'm sure I read there are a million or more fleeing Syria alone plus all those others you're so quick to point out. I don't think there are millions of people living in the Jungle so surely that supports the argument they are spreading out across Europe, and only a minority make it as far as the Channel? i.e. we like to talk about how they all set their sights on the UK but in reality most don't.

So if we do let them in where do we put them?

[d000hg]

So if we do let them in where do we put them?

You mean in the UK? Well that's partly my question. Even if we focus purely on the ones who have traipsed across Europe and forget all those who could still be forced to claim Asylum properly. Should we block our border and tell France "they're in your country, it's your problem"? Or do we collectively divvy them up? Or round them up and force them back home to leave the legal way?

Serious question: what should the UK's position and responsibility be? We go and fight in nations who have nothing to do with us, shouldn't we also care for those displaced from countries that have nothing to do with us?

[The_Equalizer]

You mean in the UK? Well that's partly my question. Even if we focus purely on the ones who have traipsed across Europe and forget all those who could still be forced to claim Asylum properly. Should we block our border and tell France "they're in your country, it's your problem"? Or do we collectively divvy them up? Or round them up and force them back home to leave the legal way?

Serious question: what should the UK's position and responsibility be? We go and fight in nations who have nothing to do with us, shouldn't we also care for those displaced from countries that have nothing to do with us?

"I didn't vote for it"

Fashionable response (c) 2016.

[Chuck]

shouldn't we also care for those displaced from countries that have nothing to do with us?

Like this you mean?

[vetran]

I think they should all live in d000hg's house.

Honestly we have no idea where they came from or why they are here yet we should let them in.

We have some responsibility for the places we got involved in wars but most of them were run by mad dictators who we overthrew, the locals responded by either trying to kill us or running away.

Care for them in proper refugee centres near their home country and return anyone claiming to be a refugee to there. If they want to claim asylum then do it in the first safe country they know the law which is why we have 20 year old 'children' and lots of unaccompanied children.

[DodgyAgent]

I think they should all live in d000hg's house.

Honestly we have no idea where they came from or why they are here yet we should let them in.

We have some responsibility for the places we got involved in wars but most of them were run by mad dictators who we overthrew, the locals responded by either trying to kill us or running away.

Care for them in proper refugee centres near their home country and return anyone claiming to be a refugee to there. If they want to claim asylum then do it in the first safe country they know the law which is why we have 20 year old 'children' and lots of unaccompanied children.

I wish I was his agent

[DodgyAgent]

You mean in the UK? Well that's partly my question. Even if we focus purely on the ones who have traipsed across Europe and forget all those who could still be forced to claim Asylum properly. Should we block our border and tell France "they're in your country, it's your problem"? Or do we collectively divvy them up? Or round them up and force them back home to leave the legal way?

Serious question: what should the UK's position and responsibility be? We go and fight in nations who have nothing to do with us, shouldn't we also care for those displaced from countries that have nothing to do with us?

You are not answering the question. Assume the govt listens to people like you and Lilly Allen and decides to accept the refugees where do we put them?