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[bobspud]

Its interesting that there is a theme running through this thread that suggests choosing not to have kids is a selfish driven act. However I know of many parents that have had their 2.4 kids + dog and are still selfish inward looking dicks. I would suggest that its worse to have kids then ignore them because of your career than to make the call that you don't have bandwidth to do the job properly.

[WTFH]

Its interesting that there is a theme running through this thread that suggests choosing not to have kids is a selfish driven act. However I know of many parents that have had their 2.4 kids + dog and are still selfish inward looking dicks. I would suggest that its worse to have kids then ignore them because of your career than to make the call that you don't have bandwidth to do the job properly.

Yes, it's selfish to think the world is overpopulated and that you don't have the time to devote to raising children in a way that they end up being a positive contribution to society and not just a negative drain.


...and some of us just don't like children.

[WTFH]

Well because all species are genetically hardwired to want to propagate their species. It is as Nature decrees, hence anyone that flies in the face of that imperative must be, to a degree at least, somewhat unnatural.

Species may be hardwired to propagate, but no species, apart from humans, use medical technology to allow propagation where it would not naturally occur (e.g. IVF, etc), no species uses medicines to keep those alive that would otherwise naturally die.
And most species propagate where the strongest are the ones whose genes are passed on. The weakest generally do not get the chance to propagate. So, there's 3 ways that human propagation is "somewhat unnatural".


Break your leg as a human, you'll go to hospital and be back walking in a few days.
Break your leg as a buffalo, wildebeest, kudu, zebra, impala, etc and you'll be lion food in a few hours.
Blind or deaf animals will not survive very long in the natural world.
If the rains don't come, grazing/browsing animals starve. Humans get out their sprinklers and water the crops.
When an animal gives birth, there are no midwives, drugs, baby formula food, clean water, etc.

Need I go on about what the "natural world" is actually like, compared with the unnatural way humans survive?

[shaunbhoy]

Species may be hardwired to propagate, but no species, apart from humans, use medical technology to allow propagation where it would not naturally occur (e.g. IVF, etc)

Well being at the top of the food chain does have it's advantages. You should try and catch up........and bring OG.

[shaunbhoy]

Its interesting that there is a theme running through this thread that suggests choosing not to have kids is a selfish driven act. However I know of many parents that have had their 2.4 kids + dog and are still selfish inward looking dicks.

That may well be true, but does not detract from the original point about people that actively make the choice not to have kids from being inherently selfish.

I would suggest that its worse to have kids then ignore them because of your career than to make the call that you don't have bandwidth to do the job properly.

I would suggest that the use of the word "bandwidth" in this debate probably means you are doing the right thing.

[Halo Jones]

but does not detract from the original point about people that actively make the choice not to have kids from being inherently selfish.

Why, in this context, is being selfish bad?

[original PM]

Yeah the point i was trying to make is that really what these people are doing is throwing a party to celebrate the fact that they can now have sex whenever they want without having to worry about kids....

and maybe name some materialistic thing while they do it....


seriously - how much of a tw@ do you have to be to do that?

It is not the fact they don't want kids it is the fact they are making a song and dance about it.

[shaunbhoy]

Why, in this context, is being selfish bad?

When, in any context, is being selfish good?

[WTFH]

Well being at the top of the food chain does have it's advantages. You should try and catch up........and bring OG.

You think humans are the top of the "food chain"?


We may be when we have the assistance of weapons and tools, but if you pit an unarmed human against a lion, there's only one winner. Even an armed human is not guaranteed a victory.


Against a hippo or an elephant, well good luck.


...and that's without looking at box jellyfish, black mambas or even mosquitos.


Your imagined self importance is pretty worthless if you have ever ventured beyond the four walls of your insular mind.

[WTFH]

When, in any context, is being selfish good?

If only there was a thread going for thousands of posts about how some Brits think being extremely selfish is the best and only possible way to exist...