Stabbing in Russell Square

[minestrone]

There is no reason why.

Things like this have happened before, and will happen again. Think of Hungerford, or Dunblane, or Cumbria. There was no pattern in any of those, no rhyme or reason; and there is no reason now. We want there to be reasons because we're scared when things don't make sense. But sense is something we impose on reality, not something that inheres in it. Sometimes, things make no sense.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of disagree.

[Malcolm Buggeridge]

There is no reason why.

Things like this have happened before, and will happen again. Think of Hungerford, or Dunblane, or Cumbria. There was no pattern in any of those, no rhyme or reason; and there is no reason now. We want there to be reasons because we're scared when things don't make sense. But sense is something we impose on reality, not something that inheres in it. Sometimes, things make no sense.

Oh, yes there is a pattern.

I think, almost to a man, from Tim McVeigh to the Lee Rugby killers, these individuals were unhinged by mind bending drugs; both of the legal and illegal varieties.

It is absolutely criminal the way our mental institutions were shiit down.

But then again why did we really need to hang on to them when the govt could cream a king's ransom from the sale of those old Victorian institutions to developers to turn into yuppie pads while big pharma could provide the chemical padded cell at the same time?

[DaveB]

the question is assuming they are all insane not inspired by ISIS are these clusters happening now. Frequently the mentally ill take their own lives very occasionally do they take the lives of their loved ones and rarer those of acquaintances. Taking the lives of innocents they don't know and don't feel threatened by seems a little unusual.

Not really that unusual.

In 2003-2013 there were 830 (11%) homicides by [mental health] patients in the UK, an average of 75 per year. The figure of 51 in 2013 is incomplete (and further cases, especially in England, are expected).

Page 82 has the numbers. The report itself makes pretty grim reading, just pray you never have severe mental health issues cos chances are you're going to top yourself at some point, possibly taking someone else with you.

Between 2000 and 2016 59 people have been killed by terrorists in the UK, and that includes 2 attacks by right wing extremists..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Great_Britain

Bottom line is you're at least 10 times more likely to be killed by someone with mental health issues than by a terrorist.

[darmstadt]

Definitely mental health issues and not terrorism, I mean who goes to house parties these days: Murder probe launched after teenager stabbed to death near house party in Peckham | Crime | News | The Independent

Possibly fed up with the wife trying on too much clothing: Westfield London stabbing: Man in hospital after shopping centre attack | Crime | News | The Independent

And it's not confined to London: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...goldthorn-hill

In 2015 there were 28,008 knife crimes recorded by police - a nine per increase on the previous year. Seems to be a fashionable thing to do...

[vetran]

Definitely mental health issues and not terrorism, I mean who goes to house parties these days: Murder probe launched after teenager stabbed to death near house party in Peckham | Crime | News | The Independent

Possibly fed up with the wife trying on too much clothing: Westfield London stabbing: Man in hospital after shopping centre attack | Crime | News | The Independent

And it's not confined to London: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...goldthorn-hill

In 2015 there were 28,008 knife crimes recorded by police - a nine per increase on the previous year. Seems to be a fashionable thing to do...

Knife crimes tend to be against someone you know.

The point being made above was that is was not someone he knew even slightly in the PDF they called it stranger Homicide. Now I have been attacked because I told to scumbag to behave on a few occasions but never because I was just there at the time that is a whole different kind of nutter.

I would suggest that the one that just walks up & stabs you for no reason is much rarer than one who gets their courage & reason through the booze & a nasty temper.

[minestrone]

Not really that unusual.

Bottom line is you're at least 10 times more likely to be killed by someone with mental health issues than by a terrorist.

So they are mutually exclusive, if you are mentally ill you cannot be a terrorist?

[minestrone]

It is absolutely criminal the way our mental institutions were shiit down.

But then again why did we really need to hang on to them when the govt could cream a king's ransom from the sale of those old Victorian institutions to developers to turn into yuppie pads while big pharma could provide the chemical padded cell at the same time?

Thatcher often gets the blame for closing institutions but the journey towards this was primarily from the medical profession. Laing was prime driver.

[Milkyway]

Immigration to a new country is stressful in general and migrants are more likely to suffer mental health problems. Many have totally unrealistic expectations and, when they are not fulfilled, gratitude can easily turn to resentment.

The performance of people generally reflects the country they come from. Compare those from China, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh with the progress of their countries of origin. Ditto those from the more educated, mainly Western African countries with those from the poorest, mainly Eastern African nations.

There are plenty of stats about the woeful performance of Somalis in the UK. Seriously, it is time Europe stopped letting these people in. Even leaving aside incidents like this, the money they cost us is money we cannot spend on our citizens, including our existing minorities.

The asylum rules needs tearing up.

If what you say is true, then why are we going BREXIT and want to trade and have new relationships with these low and bad quality people / country (as you refer them to be) rather than trading with EU / western society / inviting EU people more than these countries into UK.

[Flashman]

Belgian police attacked with machete in Charleroi - BBC News

Flippin' Norwegians again no doubt.

[Old Greg]

Thatcher often gets the blame for closing institutions but the journey towards this was primarily from the medical profession. Laing was prime driver.

Closing the institutions was a positive move especially for adults with learning disabilities. Unfortunately community services were not adequately funded hence the moniker don't care in the community.