Brexit Non-News. Good or bad depending on which group you belong to.

[GB9]

Looks like the lawyers will be getting ready for a huge feast:

How Brexit Will Happen, After 43 Years of Working Together - Bloomberg

The "divorce" is going to be a mammoth task. If May actually goes ahead and hands in article 50, she will be a brave woman indeed.

What's brave about carrying out the demicratic will of the people?

MPs are there to serve the electorate, not to ignore them and do something different. She will be far braver if she doesn't get on with it.

[WTFH]

What's brave about carrying out the demicratic will of the people?

MPs are there to serve the electorate, not to ignore them and do something different. She will be far braver if she doesn't get on with it.

She will do whatever the unelected faceless bureaucrats, or "civil service" and "special advisers" (as they are also known) tell her to do.

[BlasterBates]

What's brave about carrying out the demicratic will of the people?

MPs are there to serve the electorate, not to ignore them and do something different. She will be far braver if she doesn't get on with it.

Sometimes what people say they think they want and what they actually want are two different things

[Old Greg]

What's brave about carrying out the demicratic will of the people?

MPs are there to serve the electorate, not to ignore them and do something different. She will be far braver if she doesn't get on with it.

Regrettably, that is not true in a representative democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

Theorists such as Edmund Burke believe that part of the duty of a representative was not simply to communicate the wishes of the electorate but also to use their own judgement in the exercise of their powers, even if their views are not reflective of those of a majority of voters:

...it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; their business, unremitted attention. It is his duty to sacrifice his repose, his pleasures, his satisfactions, to theirs; and above all, ever, and in all cases, to prefer their interest to his own. But his unbiassed opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure; no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.

Criticisms

In his book Political Parties, written in 1911, Robert Michels argues that most representative systems deteriorate towards an oligarchy or particracy. This is known as the iron law of oligarchy.[17] Representative democracies which are stable have been analysed by Adolf Gasser and compared to the unstable representative democracies in his book "Gemeindefreiheit als Rettung Europas" which was published in 1943 (first edition in German) and a second edition in 1947 (in German).[18] Adolf Gasser stated the following requirements for a representative democracy in order to remain stable, unaffected by the iron law of oligarchy:
Society has to be built up from bottom to top. As a consequence, society is built up by people, who are free and have the power to defend themselves with weapons.
These free people join or form local communities. These local communities are independent, which includes financial independence, and they are free to determine their own rules.
Local communities join together into a higher unit e.g. a canton.
There is no hierarchical bureaucracy.
There is competition between these local communities e.g. on services delivered or on taxes.
A drawback to this type of government is that elected officials are not required to fulfill promises made before their election.

[BlasterBates]

oh dear

Brexit still as clear as mud

Brexit means Brexit.

and remember....

Verisimilitude means Verisimilitude

[CretinWatcher]

Looks like the lawyers will be getting ready for a huge feast:

Aye.

[GB9]

oh dear

Brexit still as clear as mud

Brexit means Brexit.

and remember....

Verisimilitude means Verisimilitude

I read that biased Guardian carp earlier. "EU waiting patiently". Nearly lost my breakfast, as if we were going to formulate an approach in 3 weeks. Absolute socialist tulipe.

[WTFH]

I read that biased Guardian carp earlier. "EU waiting patiently". Nearly lost my breakfast, as if we were going to formulate an approach in 3 weeks. Absolute socialist tulipe.

Apart from the Daily Mail, which papers do you approve of?
(Reading these threads, the Independent is both a garbage blog and a quotable factual source, so it's worth knowing where we should find the acceptable truth)

[GB9]

Apart from the Daily Mail, which papers do you approve of?
(Reading these threads, the Independent is both a garbage blog and a quotable factual source, so it's worth knowing where we should find the acceptable truth)

All the papers have thier biases.

The Guardian and the Independent are the worst to the left and seem to take great pleasure in reporting how unsettled everything is, even though it was expected.

The Express is as bad to the right.

[NotAllThere]

What's brave about carrying out the demicratic will of the people?...

Hypothetically? If the demicratic (sic) will will cause irreparable damage to the country, for which she will be blamed and so cut short her rule.

Brexit means Brexit.

Reminds me of a certain Dim Prawn, who said in the House of Commons that there's nothing unclear about IR35. If you are caught by it, you pay the tax.