[Merged]Brexit stuff

[GB9]

He means that although they need to sign off individually, the agreement isn't in force until all of them sign.

Basically, it confirms what everyone has told you previously, that the UK will not be able to do deals with each of the EU countries separately.

It proves my point that the big contributors will get their way and rules will be changed accordingly. You lot have told us loads of nonsense and so far been pretty much wrong on everything. Even presented with hard facts you still cant accept them. Vote Smith. You know you want to.

[VectraMan]

Australia and NZ have wanted free trade deals with Europe for decades, they want to be free to send as much lamb, butter, wine and wheat as they can. Europe's (rightly) refused up to now, to protect local farmers and wine producers.

Britain's in a precarious negotiating position - they want and need trade deals, but also need to protect local industry and farming from being undercut.

Australia might want a trade deal "now", but that doesn't mean that one will be forthcoming any time soon.

Just like the US deal we could end up with a lot of things happening without proper consideration. The greater question is whether this is what the Leave voters really voted for. It seems to me a rush to open up free trade is just another way that the political elite act in their own interests above that of the ordinary people.

[Mordac]

For the Remainers. Vote Owen Smith and get another go, just to be sure.

Owen who?

[meridian]

It proves my point that the big contributors will get their way and rules will be changed accordingly. You lot have told us loads of nonsense and so far been pretty much wrong on everything. Even presented with hard facts you still cant accept them. Vote Smith. You know you want to.

Err, not quite - in the Canada example you are citing, the rules are being changed to make things harder and more drawn out, not easier. If this were to translate the same way into an EU/UK trade deal, then any deal would be reliant on all countries agreeing. A "Canada model" not accepting free movement of people would be a far different proposition for agreement than a UK model not accepting free movement of people, especially to EU countries like Poland.

Factor in that the Canada deal has already been 7 years in the making, and is now estimated to be another 5 years in ratification, then the 12 years for the deal to go through is roughly in line with what we have been saying, that new trade deals for the UK would take a decade or more.

[minestrone]

Err, not quite - in the Canada example you are citing, the rules are being changed to make things harder and more drawn out, not easier. If this were to translate the same way into an EU/UK trade deal, then any deal would be reliant on all countries agreeing. A "Canada model" not accepting free movement of people would be a far different proposition for agreement than a UK model not accepting free movement of people, especially to EU countries like Poland.

Factor in that the Canada deal has already been 7 years in the making, and is now estimated to be another 5 years in ratification, then the 12 years for the deal to go through is roughly in line with what we have been saying, that new trade deals for the UK would take a decade or more.

Trade deals are about regulations mostly, TTIP has been such a struggle due to both the EU and the USA having extremely well detailed and often contradictory standards that cannot be harmonised, GM crops and hormone use in animal produce for instance. As the EU and the UK currently use the same regulations and if the UK goes on using EU standards any deal should be far simpler to negotiate.

Anyways, sign a free trade deal with Japan and then watch the German car manufacturers negotiate for us.

[darmstadt]

Good morning fellow Brexiters.

Looks like early 2017 according to this.

And it seems only a very small minority want a second referendum.

And the Australian's want a trade deal, now.

This one says member EU nations can ratify the agreement with Canada individually. I thought it was meant to be all or nothing but it seems the rules can change as required.

Tusk puts his foot in his mouth again. Who needs Boris?!

But not Norway, yet: No trade deals with UK until Brexit is complete, says Norway's Prime Minister | Europe | News | The Independent

[jamesbrown]

But not Norway, yet: No trade deals with UK until Brexit is complete, says Norway's Prime Minister | Europe | News | The Independent

When did Norway assume the mantle of Captain Obvious? We cannot legally sign any trade deals until Brexit is complete. While we're members of the EU, we're bound to negotiate as a block. In the mean time, we can prepare the ground, but there's neither the capacity to rush this through (no negotiators) nor the desire (rapid trade deals are likely to be poor trade deals).

[jamesbrown]

Trade deals are about regulations mostly, TTIP has been such a struggle due to both the EU and the USA having extremely well detailed and often contradictory standards that cannot be harmonised, GM crops and hormone use in animal produce for instance. As the EU and the UK currently use the same regulations and if the UK goes on using EU standards any deal should be far simpler to negotiate.

Anyways, sign a free trade deal with Japan and then watch the German car manufacturers negotiate for us.

Yup, non-tariff barriers are more difficult than tariffs, and these should be much simpler when negotiating with EU countries (or, in reality, the EU as a block).

[BlasterBates]

Yup, non-tariff barriers are more difficult than tariffs, and these should be much simpler when negotiating with EU countries (or, in reality, the EU as a block).

The non-tariff barriers will be in place. David Davis has clearly stated since his appointment as Brexit Minister that the UK won't be adopting EU regulations and standards.

http://www.conservativehome.com/plat...r-britain.html

Regulation already in place will stay for the moment, but the flood of new regulation from Europe will be halted. We can then look at structuring our regulatory environment so that it helps business, rather than hinders.

So it looks like there will be new barriers to trade. Also it will be necessary for manufacturers to deal with each EU country seperately or set up subsidiaries in the EU for distribution.

Switzerland and Norway accept EU regulations so they can export easily.

[minestrone]

So we have a car manufactured in Germany by a Germany car company.

In a post brexit UK without a EU trade deal what are the cost implications on buying again from that manufacturer?