Article 50 won't be triggered this year under Gove

[BlasterBates]

Didn't they say similar about Iceland defaulting a few years ago? Seems they've gone from strength to strength recently.

Rules are overruled by money. Who wants to sell us some tat?

Iceland has schengen, the freedom of movement of people and access to the single market.

Everyone including all "Remain" MP's agreed with that arrangement the UK would be more or less completely unaffected by Brexit, though one could argue what point was of doing a Brexit. The UK wouldn't though be able to influence EU rules, which is the key argument.

[jamesbrown]

All this focus on Article 50 is a distraction anyway, because they need to get the final deal through Parliament, and trade won't be negotiated before the end of Article 50. By the time May et al. have finished, the options on the table will be Brexit-light (EEA+) and Brexit-superlight (EEA). We'll probably start with EEA and, following negotiation, end up with EEA I really don't see them budging on the Freedoms, but it's worth a discussion.

[SueEllen]

Didn't they say similar about Iceland defaulting a few years ago? Seems they've gone from strength to strength recently.

Rules are overruled by money. Who wants to sell us some tat?

Iceland defaulted and put certain Icelandic people in prison.

If they were a basket case like certain countries in the Euro were people could bribe their way out of prison, no one would be selling them tat.

[SueEllen]

All this focus on Article 50 is a distraction anyway, because they need to get the final deal through Parliament, and trade won't be negotiated before the end of Article 50. By the time May et al. have finished, the options on the table will be Brexit-light (EEA+) and Brexit-superlight (EEA). We'll probably start with EEA and, following negotiation, end up with EEA I really don't see them budging on the Freedoms, but it's worth a discussion.

Ending up with an EEA agreement is tulip.

It means certain new countries can and will make rules to screw us and we can't stop them. Norway has to cosy up with it's Nordic neighbours to find out what is happening and to convince them what is bad for Norway is bad for them.

[jamesbrown]

Ending up with an EEA agreement is tulip.

It means certain new countries can and will make rules to screw us and we can't stop them. Norway has to cosy up with it's Nordic neighbours to find out what is happening and to convince them what is bad for Norway is bad for them.

Yes, I know what it means (a subset of EU laws and regulations in exchange for no control on how they are made), and I wouldn't support it. However, if May is elected, the EU institutions will be cognisant of her remain position and willingness to accept more trade for more immigration. I have no doubt that she'll follow through on Brexit, but EEA will be the starting point, whereas WTO/most favoured nation would be the starting point for someone like Leadsom or Fox.

[Mordac]

Yes, I know what it means (a subset of EU laws and regulations in exchange for no control on how they are made), and I wouldn't support it. However, if May is elected, the EU institutions will be cognisant of her remain position and willingness to accept more trade for more immigration. I have no doubt that she'll follow through on Brexit, but EEA will be the starting point, whereas WTO/most favoured nation would be the starting point for someone like Leadsom or Fox.

Scaremongering quotes from the Grauniad: Links here EU referendum morning briefing: five become four in Tory leadership contest | Politics | The Guardian, halfway down page:

Has the UK Brexited yet?
No. And according to the Austrian finance minister Hans Jörg Schelling, perhaps it never will. Schelling told German newspaper Handelsblatt (here in English):

Britain will remain a member of the EU in the future. In five years, there will still be 28 member states.

When you look at all of those [companies] who want to move to the EU, it’s a wake-up call for Britain not to leave in the end.

On the other hand, Alain Juppé, former prime minister of France and the favourite to win next year’s French presidential election, thinks the UK should leave toute de suite:

When you get divorced, you do not get to stay at home. You have to leave the common house .

Juppé also raised the prospect – rejected by the current French government but potentially a future flashpoint should he end up in the Elysée palace – that the Le Touquet agreement could be scrapped. The current accord allows the UK border force to operate in Calais.

We cannot continue with a system in which on French territory the British authorities decide the people that can be welcomed and can be rejected. That is not acceptable.

[BrilloPad]

Iceland defaulted and put certain Icelandic people in prison.

And amazingly were able to borrow again 2 years later.

[DaveB]

And amazingly were able to borrow again 2 years later.

So not only are they better than us at football, they are better at economics as well.

[Mordac]

So not only are they better than us at football, they are better at economics as well.

And their women are fitter.

[Bee]

David Cameron should “swallow the frog” and send the formal notification to leave EU ASAP, and move forward. Would be better for everyone.