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Article 50 won't be triggered this year under Gove

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    #71
    Originally posted by Bee View Post
    David Cameron should “swallow the frog” and send the formal notification to leave EU ASAP, and move forward. Will be better for everyone.
    What would be the point in that? Far better to wait until we have actually decided what we want "Out" to look like, have staffed up and trained a negotiating team and have informal talks with other non-EU future trading partners underway.

    There's no rush. It to took 43 years to get this far. If it takes a few more months to begin the exit procedures then that's no big deal.

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      #72
      Originally posted by Bee View Post
      David Cameron should “swallow the frog” and send the formal notification to leave EU ASAP, and move forward. Would be better for everyone.
      He won't do it and he got no authority to do it anyway.

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        #73
        Originally posted by AtW View Post
        He won't do it and he got no authority to do it anyway.
        Technically he has the authority, but he's already said he won't, having previously indicated he would (honour the outcome of the referendum). Only it didn't go quite to plan, so it was toys-out-of-the-pram time and he ran off with the ball.
        His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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          #74
          Originally posted by AtW View Post
          He won't do it and he got no authority to do it anyway.
          He has the authority, he is in the goverment until October.

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            #75
            Originally posted by Bee View Post
            He has the authority, he is in the goverment until October.
            While you think it is simple it is not.

            He has to get parliament to vote on a few laws before evoking it and at least one of those bills is a new law that has to be written from scratch.
            "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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              #76
              Originally posted by Bee View Post

              David Cameron should “swallow the frog” and send the formal notification to leave EU ASAP, and move forward. Would be better for everyone.
              Absolutely (BTW, FYI the usual phrase in English is "bite the bullet")

              But you must remember Cameron is a pathetic coward, and no doubt still hopes he can somehow engineer things to prevent Brexit happening.
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                #77
                Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
                While you think it is simple it is not.
                .
                Debatable.
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
                  Debatable.
                  As we found out during the referendum, the obvious is debatable if one party in the debate is stupid enough.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
                    While you think it is simple it is not.

                    He has to get parliament to vote on a few laws before evoking it and at least one of those bills is a new law that has to be written from scratch.
                    TBH, I think it's rather pointless debating it further on here. There are respected authorities on both sides of this. My personal view (aligned with Lord Lisvane, for example) is that they absolutely can exercise prerogative power, if they wish, but that it would not be politically expedient to do so.

                    In terms of triggering Article 50 quickly, that would be stupid. Aside from the consolidation and planning that we need to engage with, it's one of our few bargaining chips. If the Gov't are willing to bargain with EU citizens living in the UK, they'll most assuredly be willing to use this as a bargaining chip. That the EU institutions are whining so much about us invoking it quickly is evidence of this leverage. They have other mechanisms to encourage us (e.g. the French talking about Euro clearing), but we have these too (e.g. Gidiot talking about the UK becoming a tax haven), but that isn't going to end well, and the nuclear option (Article 7) isn't remotely plausible.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
                      Debatable.
                      I don't think you are suppose to continually insult other posters.
                      "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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