Breakfast Brexit Merge

[NotAllThere]

...It does impact the possibility of me staying on here in cloggers as MrN being British we have no way of knowing what his status will be depending on the decisions the EU takes on the status of British expats in EU countries...

In Switzerland the law says that anyone who's already here under Freedom of Movement retains their status even if their country of origin pulls out of the treaty. It's possible that was already part of the EU law, or it was added when the Swiss incorporated Freedom of Movement into their own law.

Democracy is doomed as the majority usual make the wrong choice...

That's perhaps why referenda aren't that popular. Except... the Swiss manage to get along with the majority decisions.

[rl4engc]

Seeing it all over FB - they think the older generations have selfishly chosen to shaft them. Why would anyone do that to their children and grandchildren?

What's more worrying is they seem to value things like (I'm guessing) cheaper air fares, no roaming fees etc. ahead of democracy and a right to shape our own destiny.

If this referendum had happened in 5 years, with a lower grey vote and more kids it could have been a different story.

Even so, with what was at stake I'm still surprised the majority was only ~3 points.

It's still Great Britain, but only by the skin of it's teeth.

[GB9]

Seeing it all over FB - they think the older generations have selfishly chosen to shaft them. Why would anyone do that to their children and grandchildren?

https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...mers-so-angry/

They also seem to think that older people should shaft themselves for the younger.

Rightly or wrongly, if someone believes the EU is responsible for their lack of job, or low pay, I don't see why they should vote in favour of the EU so that a few spotty kids can go interrailing.

[VectraMan]

What's more worrying is they seem to value things like (I'm guessing) cheaper air fares, no roaming fees etc. ahead of democracy and a right to shape our own destiny.

Practical real life benefits above theoretical ideological principles? The shock!

It's still Great Britain, but only by the skin of it's teeth.

Is it still Great Britain when Scotland leaves? Great Britain refers to the island so surely we can't use that name any more. And we're not really The United Kingdom either.

[GB9]

Practical real life benefits above theoretical ideological principles? The shock!



Is it still Great Britain when Scotland leaves? Great Britain refers to the island so surely we can't use that name any more. And we're not really The United Kingdom either.

Super Wonderful (without the whingers) Britain!

[Old Greg]

If MrN has the skills and is "engaged" to an Irish citizen why would they be scared of hiring him?

The marriage route to Irish citizenship requires 3 years of marriage residency in Ireland (more or less).

[tomtomagain]

He's not engaged and may have the skills but the cloggies are a very xenophobic nation and any non cloggy is very lucky to get a job here..

Why would he want to live in a racist society anyway?

[VectraMan]

The UK has decided.

38% of the electorate decided, or about 26% of the UK overall. The other 74% (which includes children and EU citizens that don't get to vote) have it forced on them.

Hardly a shining example of the principle of democracy when you look at it like that. It should have required an absolute majority, and I'm not just saying that because I wanted the status quo to prevail.

[vetran]

Practical real life benefits above theoretical ideological principles? The shock!



Is it still Great Britain when Scotland leaves? Great Britain refers to the island so surely we can't use that name any more. And we're not really The United Kingdom either.

Selfish self interest over honour & Duty you mean?

Enggguurrrland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kaiser78]

38% of the electorate decided, or about 26% of the UK overall. The other 74% (which includes children and EU citizens that don't get to vote) have it forced on them.

Hardly a shining example of the principle of democracy when you look at it like that. It should have required an absolute majority, and I'm not just saying that because I wanted the status quo to prevail.

I would suggest that it is right that these people types don't get a chance to vote, and so the remainder who could vote were able to fairly do so, no ?

Where did you get the stats from out of interest ?