Brexit win - 11 threads into one

[Churchill]

Sorry, my edit came as you posted this.

My reply doesn't mean I agree with your OP.

I was merely pointing out that Politicians have decided that the masses are too thick to determine their own destiny. In effect I was agreeing with your comment that both sides of the argument can be equally uninformed.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Doggy Styles]

I was merely pointing out that Politicians have decided that the masses are too thick to determine their own destiny. In effect I was agreeing with your comment that both sides of the argument can be equally uninformed.

Sorry for the confusion.

Ah, got yer.

[Old Greg]

Nigel Farage admits he has 'absolutely no idea' what will happen if Britain leaves EU

Nigel Farage admits he has 'absolutely no idea' what will happen if Britain leaves the EU | UK Politics | News | The Independent

[BrilloPad]

No-one has any idea what will happen if we leave. Or if we stay. I admire a honest politician - I often admire Red Ken(though quoting Hitler is sheer stupidity).

The vote is about if you want to be ruled from London or Brussels.

[scooterscot]

No-one has any idea what will happen if we leave. Or if we stay.

The same as yesterday. We continue to be mouthy at our european neighbours.

[Old Greg]

The same as yesterday. We continue to be mouthy at our european neighbours.

Yes it is pretty clear what staying in EU means. But nobody knows what leave means in terms of:

Freedom of movement
Trade with EU
Payments to EU
Etc.

[scooterscot]

Yes it is pretty clear what staying in EU means. But nobody knows what leave means in terms of:

Freedom of movement
Trade with EU
Payments to EU
Etc.

1) I think it's fair to say a similar arrangement as is with Norway and Switzerland. We pay for the right. It's conceivable we'll continue to enjoy access without paying for it. We're overestimating our importance.

2) We can't expect to trade with a market without paying for it first. For those that say access to this market will cost us nothing are not rational. We've got much more to loose. Our manufacturers are generally foreign owned, directly or indirectly, they may choose to move HQ in the coming years.

3) Everything, I don't imagine the London's financial services market will continue to the enjoy the same access to EU countries as it does today. We'll have to pay for visas for tourist purposes, access to the market. It's potential a long list. They'll be some reductions no doubt, but we'll have little or no say in them.

[jamesbrown]

Yes it is pretty clear what staying in EU means. But nobody knows what leave means in terms of:

Freedom of movement
Trade with EU
Payments to EU
Etc.

It's just a matter of the timescale you're focused on. Sure, we know what "in" looks like for the next year or two, notwithstanding a few trivial measures that are being delayed until after the referendum, and a greatly increased budget contribution. However, you can't read the Five Presidents' Report and talk about the "status quo" as a baseline in the long-term.

[Old Greg]

It's just a matter of the timescale you're focused on. Sure, we know what "in" looks like for the next year or two, notwithstanding a few trivial measures that are being delayed until after the referendum, and a greatly increased budget contribution. However, you can't read the Five Presidents' Report and talk about the "status quo" as a baseline in the long-term.

But we have "absolutely no idea" what Out looks like.

[Old Greg]

1) I think it's fair to say a similar arrangement as is with Norway and Switzerland. We pay for the right. It's conceivable we'll continue to enjoy access without paying for it. We're overestimating our importance.

2) We can't expect to trade with a market without paying for it first. For those that say access to this market will cost us nothing are not rational. We've got much more to loose. Our manufacturers are generally foreign owned, directly or indirectly, they may choose to move HQ in the coming years.

3) Everything, I don't imagine the London's financial services market will continue to the enjoy the same access to EU countries as it does today. We'll have to pay for visas for tourist purposes, access to the market. It's potential a long list. They'll be some reductions no doubt, but we'll have little or no say in them.

Presumably one likely outcome is a Scottish referendum leading to independence and the potential subsequent annexation of Berwick. Then Wales will follow but with an English annexation of Monmouthshire. Scotland and Wales will join the EU, Schengen and the Eurozone leaving England + NI to either sign up to an agreement where they pay the EU and accept free movement of individuals in return to access to the free market, or bravely sail into freedom with customs and passport controls throughout these fair isles.