Birstall MP attacked and killed

[PurpleGorilla]

Birstall MP attacked and killed

How about explain the reason for your original post and show that you aren't a racist xenophobe?

My original post (about Nigel's poster) said harsh, but fair. I then explained my reasoning in several posts, whilst NO explanation was given to call me racist.

[PurpleGorilla]

Birstall MP attacked and killed

If people behave in a style that reminds some people of racist xenophobia, then it's almost inevitable they'll be called racist xenophobes. If you're being called that, here's a few suggestions as to what you can do about it.

1. Suck it up, because you know it's false - which is what I do when I'm called a Nazi, 'cos I know I'm not
2. Consider seriously whether your behaviour could be construed to be racist and or xenophobic, and modify your behaviour so that people won't make the mistake again
3. Admit that you are, and wear the badge with pride
4. Whine about it, and start hurling epithets of your own.

TBH, I don't think you're knowingly racist. You probably abhor racism and are quite a decent chap. I think it's just that you are not very clever.

I don't know what Flashman's intentions were, but on the face of it, it appears that he's accusing Remain supporters of capitalising on Cox's murder - with the astonishingly hypocritical device of putting words into the mouth of a known Remainer, that she didn't say. Effectively, Flashman is saying "Look - those lefties are capitalising on the murder. Aren't they awful - vote Brexit". Which is pretty vile by any standard.

All I have seen is bremainers saying that it is only they who are tolerant, and if you want to be tolerant you need to vote remain. Which is arse. But there you go. I'm not a racist for wanting to control migration or take back sovereignty!

The assassination of Joe Cox is horrific, tragic, but nothing to do with the referendum.

[jamesbrown]

This type type of posting is increasingly leaving me with a rather nasty impression of the posters.

Vilifying the other side rather than debating doesn't show you in a good light guys.

It's lazy and just poisons the democracy well.

Absolutely agree. As I've said before, some people are allowing themselves to become radicalised by a campaign. Having a robust debate is good, but questioning someone's fundamental character or motives for simply preferring one set of arguments over another reflects very badly on their own character, web forum or otherwise.

[WTFH]

Gordon Brown making the link.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...e_iOSApp_Other

Yes we are all scum for voting brexit.

Having just read that article you linked to, I don't see Brown saying anything like that. In fact the first 75%+ of the article does not mention the EU or the referendum, the only comment I see him making that some might object to is this:
"But some have attempted to hijack a decision on the future of Britain in Europe and turn it into a vote on immigration, and then on immigrants and those who support immigrants"

[PurpleGorilla]

Having just read that article you linked to, I don't see Brown saying anything like that. In fact the first 75%+ of the article does not mention the EU or the referendum, the only comment I see him making that some might object to is this:
"But some have attempted to hijack a decision on the future of Britain in Europe and turn it into a vote on immigration, and then on immigrants and those who support immigrants"

Yes, that's the passage. Maybe I interpreted it differently.

[WTFH]

Birstall MP attacked and killed

Yes, that's the passage. Maybe I interpreted it differently.

I interpreted that as being:
The referendum is not just about immigration. It is about Britain's relationship with Europe. That relationship is made up of many things - trade, travel, employment, laws, security, taxes and borders.
To ignore all those and just focus on immigration is not what the referendum is about.
Many will vote "in" because of the other parts of the relationship. That does not mean they want the country overrun with immigrants.
Many will vote "out" because of the other parts of the relationship. That does not mean they want everyone who was not born here or does not have the "correct" skin colour/religion to be "sent home".
And I think Brown's point was just that - this referendum is about far more than just immigration, but some are choosing to focus purely on that and are being very divisive by doing so, and killing off what should be an intelligent debate about multiple issues by making it a one issue question.

[PurpleGorilla]

Birstall MP attacked and killed

I interpreted that as being:
The referendum is not just about immigration. It is about Britain's relationship with Europe. That relationship is made up of many things - trade, travel, employment, laws, security, taxes and borders.
To ignore all those and just focus on immigration is not what the referendum is about.
Many will vote "in" because of the other parts of the relationship. That does not mean they want the country overrun with immigrants.
Many will vote "out" because of the other parts of the relationship. That does not mean they want everyone who was not born here or does not have the "correct" skin colour/religion to be "sent home".
And I think Brown's point was just that - this referendum is about far more than just immigration, but some are choosing to focus purely on that and are being very divisive by doing so.

Fair enough. When you put it that way, I am happy with that.

Incidentally the borders issue is considered the BREXIT ace card, the economy the BREMAIN ace card. I think that's why it's been so myopic.

[NotAllThere]

...I'm not a racist for wanting to control migration or take back sovereignty!...

No your not. But you showed support for what is to many a racist/xenophobic poster, by calling it "harsh but fair". And that is what you were taken to task over.

[MrMarkyMark]

Fair enough. When you put it that way, I am happy with that.

Incidentally the borders issue is considered the BREXIT ace card, the economy the BREMAIN ace card. I think that's why it's been so myopic.

Bingo! And much BS being spoken by both sides, sick of it of it all tbh. The focus has been extremely narrow as WTFH says.
Dislike all that are involved, on both sides as well.
The prediction of the far right gaining a lot of political ground in Europe is also coming to pass.

[unemployed]

the economy the BREMAIN ace card.

yeah that`s working well as is .