Brexit

[DodgyAgent]

The establishment is also resolutely behind maintaining professional armed and police forces, as opposed to dissolving them and introducing democratically controlled workers' patrols and militias, so I'm not sure what you think the significance of your point is.

They are interested in enhancing anything that controls people. I can see what you are trying to do which is to use positive points to justify the integrity of areas of weakness. What you fail to take into consideration is that the EU is committed to having its own army as well as enhancing the powers of a centralised police and security force.

I should think Atw would concur that just because Osborne is right about remaining in the EU he must therefore be right about the rest of his policies

[Old Greg]

They are interested in enhancing anything that controls people. I can see what you are trying to do which is to use positive points to justify the integrity of areas of weakness. What you fail to take into consideration is that the EU is committed to having its own army as well as enhancing the powers of a centralised police and security force.

What I'm saying is that the establishment is in favour of a range of policy positions, many of which are eminently sensible, so the argument "And the establishment are resolutely behind the remain campaign - I wonder why" has no value except to illustrate what a worthless cretin you are (no offence intended).

[jamesbrown]

Very interesting. I'll match up your prediction with the result come Friday.

I don't know any better than any other commentators, of course, I'm just postulating, but I think there's broad agreement on the turnout factor and that, in general, a high turnout favours Remain unless it's very high, in which case it swings back to Leave. But you have to combine this with actual voting intention, which is a moving target until Thursday.

[jamesbrown]

Any genuine undecideds at this late stage will almost certainly vote the way their partners will, if they vote at all, unless they're both a couple of ditherers.

So the pollsters should be asking undecideds "If you have a partner, and they have decided and told you, how will they be voting?"

Generally speaking, they do this via a "squeeze" question, i.e. if we forced you to say, now, how would you vote? This is the accepted way of doing it, but not always right. Anyway, the evidence from a lot of referendums across a wide range of countries and questions is that undecideds typically split 2:1 for the "status quo". But, and it's quite a large but, this only applies if undecided voters view Remain as the status quo.

[AtW]

That means pretty much half your fellow countryfolk are a sandwich short. Just look around you - can you tell which is which?

Yes, but it still makes for a big improvement from 95% in Russia!

Sadly nationalistic card works in many countries, there are always gullible willing to fall for it

[AtW]

I should think Atw would concur that just because Osborne is right about remaining in the EU he must therefore be right about the rest of his policies

Even a broken clock shows correct time.

[OwlHoot]

What I'm saying is that the establishment is in favour of a range of policy positions, ...

The Establishment and their lackeys are in favour of maintaining the status quo solely because they benefit from it, and they fear any alternative.

Most lack the imagination or willingness to see that this is a foolish, cowardly, and short-sighted attitude, because the status quo can and will shift from under their feet and turn to quicksand.

[AtW]

The Establishment and their lackeys are in favour of maintaining the status quo solely because they benefit from it, and they fear any alternative.

I am pretty certain that I'll personally benefit from Brexit by virtue of GBP becoming a lot weaker for a short/medium time.

On the other hand it's more important to me that my car and house won't get burnt down by rioting mob free of EU red tape that helped them keep their jobs.

So I am voting for what's best for the country long term, rather than my own short-term self interest.

[PurpleGorilla]

David Beckham backs remain for our children...

Yeah they must have a tulip life mate.

[Old Greg]

The Establishment and their lackeys are in favour of maintaining the status quo solely because they benefit from it, and they fear any alternative.

Most lack the imagination or willingness to see that this is a foolish, cowardly, and short-sighted attitude, because the status quo can and will shift from under their feet and turn to quicksand.

That is exactly why the establishment is also resolutely behind maintaining professional armed and police forces, as opposed to dissolving them and introducing democratically controlled workers' patrols and militias. So are you in favour of dissolving professional armed and police forces and introducing democratically controlled workers' patrols and militias?