EU superstate

[DodgyAgent]

Sounds good to me.

A nice tier of adult supervision of selfish shortsighted UK politicians who can't be trusted to organise a piss up in a brewery

Just like the old communist Bloc countries?

[AtW]

Just like the old communist Bloc countries?

Yes, komrade, just like that...

[DodgyAgent]

And UK Govt does not use bribes?

the UK government has the press and the electorate to keep an eye on it which is why the UK is one of the least corrupt countries in the world.

[DodgyAgent]

Yes, komrade, just like that...

And you ran away from it to then go and support the imposition of a similar system on the people of your new country. Where are you off to next?

[AtW]

the UK government has the press and the electorate to keep an eye on it which is why the UK is one of the least corrupt countries in the world.

And Germany, France have no such things?

[AtW]

And you ran away from it to then go and support the imposition of a similar system on the people of your new country. Where are you off to next?

I don't mind Germany impose their system on UK - unrestricted autobahns, high speed railways for cheap price with trains running at night time, legal hand guns, 25% flat tax on dividends, what's not to like?

Voting to leave EU is to vote out of progress - there is no place for short sighted nationalism in modern world, Europeans should stand together rather than separate with selfish self-interests.

[SueEllen]

And Germany, France have no such things?

Interesting linky

Germany is as corrupt as the UK

France is more corrupt

However Sweden and Norway who aren't the EU's biggest fans, are in the top 5.

[DodgyAgent]

I don't mind Germany impose their system on UK - unrestricted autobahns, high speed railways for cheap price with trains running at night time, legal hand guns, 25% flat tax on dividends, what's not to like?

Voting to leave EU is to vote out of progress - there is no place for short sighted nationalism in modern world, Europeans should stand together rather than separate with selfish self-interests.

Those cliches are exactly what George osborne peddles too

[vetran]

Who is this "EU" that apparently acts with one mind and has an agenda? The UK is part of the EU; does that mean the UK has the agenda to create a superstate? If the answer is no, then your first statement is factually incorrect. The EU doesn't have an agenda to create a superstate.

whoa talk about simplistic understanding of legal entities.

You can see why he is a bremainer.

[unixman]

The EU always had and still has the agenda to create a single state. It always has had. Those that think it will remain simply as a trading bloc of nation states are delusional. Why is it the remainers will not argue this point and be honest and say that this is what is right for the UK. Instead they go on about "reform" when there is not the slightest impetus for any sort of reform whatsoever. A bit of horse trading and lobbying for the interests of member states yes but proper reform?

I don't mind a superstate so long as the led can remove the leaders. EU is fine, if it has regular elections where every citizen gets a vote to remote the leader (President) and the government (Commission). If the leader can't be removed by the people every 5 years, then the state/project is inviable, in my view.

Going forward without full democracy just doesn't work. Full suffrage elections are the only acceptable arrangement. We have learned that on so many occasions.

That's why I will be voting out, and with some regret. I can accept any EU craziness, but not that.