EU referendum: Boris and Gove pledge tough new immigration system after Brexit

[dx4100]

That is not a benefit.

You don't see the NHS as a benefit ?

[minestrone]

You don't see the NHS as a benefit ?

Oh Lord.

[dx4100]

Oh Lord.

I always found it funny how people see a difference between cash in hands and the universal service we get from our tax contributions. People even suggest a pension isn't a benefit

But hey, I can accept that the general thinking is that its not a "benefit" unless its cash in your hand (and even then....) while there being absolutely no difference

[minestrone]

I always found it funny how people see a difference between cash in hands and the universal service we get from our tax contributions. People even suggest a pension isn't a benefit

But hey, I can accept that the general thinking is that its not a "benefit" unless its cash in your hand (and even then....) while there being absolutely no difference

Do you see street lighting as a benefit?

What about the police? Is that a benefit?

[dx4100]

Do you see street lighting as a benefit?

What about the police? Is that a benefit?

Sure... Is it not a benefit to not be murdered every day you walk down the street ? or crash you car because its dark...

You pay tax and you get benefits in return and they all "take" from the same pot... Its the contract we all "sign" (by force)... Some universal and some dependent on circumstance...

[minestrone]

Speaking of GPs, your average one has about 1500 patients, that means the NHS has to find an extra 250 GPs every year with this level of migration, but they can't.

GP services are absolutely crippled right now and it gets worse every year. What is the wait for an appointment at your local surgery, 7 days? 14?

But of course the country can take this level of migration, right?

[AtW]

And we can change the law to define who is a threat to our national security as long as it is applied equally to all EU citizens.

Can it be changed to deport DodgyAgent to Poland?

[The_Equalizer]

Speaking of GPs, your average one has about 1500 patients, that means the NHS has to find an extra 250 GPs every year with this level of migration, but they can't.

GP services are absolutely crippled right now and it gets worse every year. What is the wait for an appointment at your local surgery, 7 days? 14?

But of course the country can take this level of migration, right?

The UK can just pinch doctors from overseas.

[bobspud]

We do not need Polish graduates working in Starbucks so we simply do not issue visas unless they have a skill that is in demand.

I think the problem is the in demand part. All the outsourcers without fail know how to game the tulip out of this system. They spend a week or two asking the locals to cut their rate in half then go to the right government department BIS or HO with their evidence and claim they have a problem getting a local worker into the role and a while later there is a nice happy chap from the lowest paying country sat on a plane ready for their new life in the UK...

[VectraMan]

GP services are absolutely crippled right now and it gets worse every year. What is the wait for an appointment at your local surgery, 7 days? 14?

Any evidence for that? It seems just as bad now as it ever was.

I found this report from 16 years ago:

http://www.bristol.ac.uk/media-libra...ments/wp20.pdf

Waiting times for National Health Service (NHS) hospital services have been a major political issue
in the UK for several decades. They were a focus of government policy in the 1980s, yet remained
long for routine hospital procedures. In 1991, for example, 120,000 people had been waiting at least
12 months and 50,000 people at least 24 months for hospital procedures (Tudor-Edwards 1997).

Long waiting times seem to be engrained into the NHS.