EU Referendum: Do we enough information to take the correct decision?

[DodgyAgent]

Going back to the poll that was conducted. it is quite telling that such a large proportion of IT contractors support Brexit despite the fact that their market is enhanced considerably by the UK being part of the EU.

[jamesbrown]

I think he's rolling in his grave and the way Brexit'ers are misappropriating him...

He was a veteran politician, FFS, I think he'd understand The way quotes are positioned is more telling than the quotes themselves. The entrance to the Visitors Centre

No one can pretend to have any particular insight, in light of current circumstances, about what particular historical figures might have thought about the EU today; whether Johnson or Soames on Churchill, or Helseltine or Cash on Thatcher. It's navel gazing. But it is interesting how quotes are chosen and deployed.

[darmstadt]

Exit
- It costs £350 million a week to remain in the EU.

Just one quote from the rest of the funny stuff jumped out, the above one which has been proven wrong numerous times.



https://www.statisticsauthority.gov....-MP-210416.pdf

More Project FUD...but who gives a ****?

[darmstadt]

I see that the EU is good for UKIP when it suits them (apart from the gravy train): Ukip MEP bids to avoid paying damages over remarks about MPs - BT

The judge, who earlier rejected Ms Collins's bid to get the proceedings stayed on the basis of EU parliamentary immunity, will give his ruling tomorrow.

[jamesbrown]

Going back to the poll that was conducted. it is quite telling that such a large proportion of IT contractors support Brexit despite the fact that their market is enhanced considerably by the UK being part of the EU.

Exactly. It's almost certainly not in my short-term interests. I may lose business, and I'd likely take a hit on my capital/investments, at least in the short-term, although I'm trying to hedge those risks. On the flip side, I'd benefit on my US dollar contracts. This isn't about near-term financial costs, this is a once-in-a-generation decision, far more important than a general election. The level of acrimony is clearly greatest among those Bremainers that are currently living elsewhere within the EU, as they see this as an attack on their way of life (which it isn't).

[DodgyAgent]

Just one quote from the rest of the funny stuff jumped out, the above one which has been proven wrong numerous times.



https://www.statisticsauthority.gov....-MP-210416.pdf

More Project FUD...but who gives a ****?

So the net amount is £10 billion. It is still far too much .Is there no single Brexit argument that you empathise with? Or are you just a paid stooge of the EU? I am sure governments and institutions plant people like you on websites like this.

[AtW]

So the net amount is £10 billion. It is still far too much

No, the net amount is actually negative because being member of the club gives a lot of perks that help make money in EU.



"In March 2016 the value of exports (EU and Non-EU) increased to £24.9 billion, and imports (EU and Non-EU) increased to £39.8 billion, compared with last month. Consequently the UK is a net importer this month, with imports exceeding exports by £14.9 billion."

£25 bln in ONE MONTH of exports: https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statisti...Pages/OTS.aspx

[darmstadt]

So the net amount is £10 billion. It is still far too much .Is there no single Brexit argument that you empathise with? Or are you just a paid stooge of the EU? I am sure governments and institutions plant people like you on websites like this.

Oooh, a conspiracy theorist....

[jamesbrown]

More Project FUD...but who gives a ****?

Nonsense. To begin with, the net contribution is far too large. Second, the rebate isn't guaranteed in the long-term. Third, EU spending within the UK is fettered. Try to view it this way: the topline number (18bn) is the amount over which we'd gain complete control, unfettered by the potential for review of the rebate or the conditions under which money is spent in the UK. It isn't an "saving" that's the 10bn), but it's entirely reasonable to talk about the topline number. The net contribution understates the liability, because it doesn't include the risk (of losing the rebate) or the costs associated with fettered spending.

[jamesbrown]

No, the net amount is actually negative because being member of the club gives a lot of perks that help make money in EU.

It also imposes a vast legislative burden, vast direct and indirect costs from a structurally flawed and failing Eurozone (heading towards ever closer union), and the intangible costs to the fabric of society from the enormous democratic deficit within EU institutions. So the net cost is close to infinity*










*Gravity model