Brexit the Movie

[VectraMan]

I find the arguments of destruction from both sides pretty poor if we don't choose path A or B. The world will carry on spinning. Some people will be rich, some will be poor. Will being out of the EU really hinder us that much? The people I see championing the cause on here most have a vested interest in us staying in the EU - you included darmy, it has the potential to affect your way of life. You like being foot-loose and fancy free outside of the UK

This is a contractor forum, and we're meant to be a flexible workforce and should welcome work opportunities. We as a group have more to gain than most from the ability to work in 32 countries and to me it seems odd that people here would be so in favour of limiting their own opportunities.

You can call that self-interest, and maybe it is, but other than Boris Johnson it's hard to see how anybody would gain from Brexit. For everybody championing the cause of OUT, what's your self-interest? What do you gain exactly?

[darmstadt]

I did watch the bit about our fishing industry and I think I said the same in another post on here. Our producers (fishing and agriculture) have been shafted by the EU and that is what is making me lean towards the leave vote at present. I think our country can stand on its own two feet. The thought that we are a bigger voice when in the club rather than out is a bit of a joke when our influence whilst in has been so ineffective...

Fishing was in decline well before the EU stepped in: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...s_Nat_Commun_1

Fishing rules were reformed in 2002 and stocks are slowly increasing: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...s_Nat_Commun_1

The ownership of UK fishing quotas is quite controversial and often misunderstood. After total EU fishing limits are decided by the Council of fisheries ministers, it is up to each member state to distribute its share among its own fleet. However, this is not an EU decision and the UK government could easily change how it allocates fish. In fact, the alternative allocation systems suggested by pro-Brexit groups and are already in place in some other European countries: http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/...20knot_web.pdf and http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...)540357_EN.pdf

A post-Brexit UK might still have to agree quotas with its neighbours, but could it prevent foreign boats from fishing in its waters? Maybe. But only with huge investment in monitoring and control public bodies such as the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) – organisations which are being cut at present.

Whether the UK would want this sort of escalation is a different question, as it would also mean British boats could no longer fish in the waters of other European nations. This is a major concern in the fishing industry as 20% of the fish caught by the UK fleet is landed elsewhere in the EU.

The reality is that a Brexit would require a complete re-negotiation of fishing rights, with uncertain outcomes. Some of these agreements stretch back to the Middle Ages and banning foreign vessels from UK waters may well be against international Maritime law. Don't forget that Britain also exports around 80% of it's seafood of which 4 of the top 5 countries are in the EU, want to endanger that, go ahead...

There's a lot more in that film which can easily be rebuked but Brexit'ers can't be bothered to search out the facts or do they want to go back to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

[vetran]

This is a contractor forum, and we're meant to be a flexible workforce and should welcome work opportunities. We as a group have more to gain than most from the ability to work in 32 countries and to me it seems odd that people here would be so in favour of limiting their own opportunities.

You can call that self-interest, and maybe it is, but other than Boris Johnson it's hard to see how anybody would gain from Brexit. For everybody championing the cause of OUT, what's your self-interest? What do you gain exactly?

as pointed out above it would have little change for the highly skilled. The highly skilled pan europeans are a very small minority of the workforce. The bottom end is currently struggling.

[vetran]

Fishing was in decline well before the EU stepped in:
There's a lot more in that film which can easily be rebuked but Brexit'ers can't be bothered to search out the facts or do they want to go back to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

Yep its working well

Cornelis Vrolijk - The Trawler which Catches 18% of England's Fish | Britishseafishing.co.uk

Other worrying news emerged about foreign vessels operating in British water. In 2010 the Spanish owned trawlers O Gentia and Coyo Tercero were fined a total of £1.62 million for illegal fishing. Coyo Tercero was stopped by the Royal Navy fisheries protection vessel HMS Tyne and found to have 500kg of salted ling on board which were not recorded in the logbook while O Genita had been involved in illegal ship-to-ship transfers of fish at sea in an attempt to avoid quota restrictions. (3) Danny Poulding of the Marine Management Organisation which led the prosecutions stated in 2010:

In November 2014 the British newspapers reported that a single Dutch trawler, the Cornelis Vrolijk, had the right to catch 23% of England’s entire fishing quota. (1) To put this into perspective the entire small inshore fishing fleet for the whole England is given 4% of the quota.
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It was also revealed that while the Cornelis Vrolijk fishes off a British quota the vessel lands all of its catch in the Dutch port of IJmuiden. (1) The company which owns and operates Cornelis Vrolijk responded by saying that they paid taxes in the UK and provided employment to British fishermen.

[DodgyAgent]

This is a contractor forum, and we're meant to be a flexible workforce and should welcome work opportunities. We as a group have more to gain than most from the ability to work in 32 countries and to me it seems odd that people here would be so in favour of limiting their own opportunities.

You can call that self-interest, and maybe it is, but other than Boris Johnson it's hard to see how anybody would gain from Brexit. For everybody championing the cause of OUT, what's your self-interest? What do you gain exactly?

Because some of us learn lessons from history and we are not all sheep looking for the next feed.

[darmstadt]

Yep its working well

Cornelis Vrolijk - The Trawler which Catches 18% of England's Fish | Britishseafishing.co.uk

You obviously didn't read my post properly...

This is not an EU decision. The fact that a single giant Dutch-owned vessel nets a quarter of the English quota (6% of the UK total) might be shocking, especially considering the UK’s quota is in theory shared between more than 6,000 vessels, but the UK government could easily change how it allocates fish. In fact, the alternative allocation systems suggested by some pro-Brexit groups are already in place elsewhere in Europe.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ne_version.pdf

http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/...20knot_web.pdf

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...)540357_EN.pdf

[vetran]

You obviously didn't read my post properly...

This is not an EU decision. The fact that a single giant Dutch-owned vessel nets a quarter of the English quota (6% of the UK total) might be shocking, especially considering the UK’s quota is in theory shared between more than 6,000 vessels, but the UK government could easily change how it allocates fish. In fact, the alternative allocation systems suggested by some pro-Brexit groups are already in place elsewhere in Europe.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ne_version.pdf

http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/...20knot_web.pdf

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...)540357_EN.pdf

so you are saying british fishing rights have nothing to do with the EU and we decided to give it away?

If we hadn't been in the EU do you think this would have been different?

[MarillionFan]

Well I just watched all of that over brekkie.

If I was one of the normal people I'd now be looking to vote Exit, as this made it appear that we are coupled to bad deals and if we go it alone we'll all be rich.

But then again, as the vast majority of the UK are quite thick and lazy spongers, we would never get of our arses to compete properly. That's what generations of benefits and immigration do, they create an underclass who are all looking for handouts.

As someone said above, as contractors you should all be voting for self interest and open borders which allow,you to contract anywhere are tHe benefit to you all.

[rl4engc]

to me it seems odd that people here would be so in favour of limiting their own opportunities.

A vote to stay shackled to the EU SuperState, is a vote to limit opportunities in lots of ways, not just your next contract.

[VectraMan]

A vote to stay shackled to the EU SuperState, is a vote to limit opportunities in lots of ways, not just your next contract.

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