Reply to: Brexit the Movie

[mudskipper]

I would encourage everyone (whichever way you voted) to watch this. Whilst this film clearly only presents one side of the debate and has a lot of spin, it does make you question why anyone would make a pro-active choice (as the referendum required us to do) to remain shackled to this unaccountable, undemocratic, opaque monolith.

[rl4engc]

Well I recall reading about TTIP back in 2013 and thinking then that it was a very bad thing

What like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justic...urity_Act_2013
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...e-in-britain-0

At least in this country currently we have the democratic right to get our elected MPs to amend or remove laws*, or to elect a new party who would promise to do that.

The Remainers need to understand that the EU won't allow this, laws are enacted in perpetuity by unelected members of the EU Commission who are answerable to no-one, and no doubt in the pockets of big corporations.

*This is kind of important, in the same sort of way as the Magna Carta is important.

The idiots voting for a supposed 'status quo' will get a rude awakening in 5 or 10 years. "What do you mean we can't change EU law? That's preposterous! How do we opt out?"

[darmstadt]

The whole issue with TTIP is that it effectively allows a company to sue a government if they introduce a law which affects sales of a company.

The smoking ban is one under scrutiny - how much has that cost tobacco companies and do you believe that those companies should then be allowed to sue the UK government for lost revenue?

First line in what you quoted from my post explains what I think. Have a look at what is happening in San Salvador: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/op...ents.html?_r=0

[original PM]

Well I recall reading about TTIP back in 2013 and thinking then that it was a very bad thing



What like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justic...urity_Act_2013
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...e-in-britain-0

The whole issue with TTIP is that it effectively allows a company to sue a government if they introduce a law which affects sales of a company.

The smoking ban is one under scrutiny - how much has that cost tobacco companies and do you believe that those companies should then be allowed to sue the UK government for lost revenue?

[PurpleGorilla]

Maybe sasguru is right about you

What that I'm a cretin who fixes washing machines?

Yeah, you got me.

[darmstadt]

Know of it, but nobody apart from those who wrote it behind closed doors know it's contents.

ISTR an early draught was leaked at one point, then the EU powers that be locked down security to what it is now (watch the video; the MEP is escorted into a room to meet a 'minder', has to lock all his electronic devices away, he's then given a pen and paper and led to another room to read the TTIP document. But he has to sign an agreement to say he won't disclose it's contents to anyone, including writing down the contents verbatim. He has to change the wording of what he writes down)

Well I recall reading about TTIP back in 2013 and thinking then that it was a very bad thing

Is this the sort of totalitarian, secret state the UK wants to sign up to? We're greater than that.

What like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justic...urity_Act_2013
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...e-in-britain-0

[darmstadt]

Just watch the video.

Maybe sasguru is right about you

[PurpleGorilla]

Now going on about Switzerland.

Which has always been successful. Due to staying out of wars and making money out of them.

They make nice assault rifles too...

[rl4engc]

If it's secret then how does everyone know about it, including you?

Know of it, but nobody apart from those who wrote it behind closed doors know it's contents.

ISTR an early draught was leaked at one point, then the EU powers that be locked down security to what it is now (watch the video; the MEP is escorted into a room to meet a 'minder', has to lock all his electronic devices away, he's then given a pen and paper and led to another room to read the TTIP document. But he has to sign an agreement to say he won't disclose it's contents to anyone, including writing down the contents verbatim. He has to change the wording of what he writes down)

Is this the sort of totalitarian, secret state the UK wants to sign up to? We're greater than that.

[BrilloPad]

Now going on about Switzerland.

Which has always been successful. Due to staying out of wars and making money out of them.

[PurpleGorilla]

If it's secret then how does everyone know about it, including you?

Just watch the video.

[darmstadt]

Scary. I'll ask again, why would anyone want to be part of the EU? Forcing through secret agreements that allow countries to sue governments, and the electorate aren't even allowed to view these agreements?!

I'm guessing the people on here that are for staying are (broad generalisation coming) say aged 30-50ish, single, and have carved out a niche for themselves that means they travel all over Europe chasing that next lucrative contract, and long may that EU gravy train continue?

If it's secret then how does everyone know about it, including you?

[PurpleGorilla]

Luckily we give overseas aid to help the India poor.

A great pity we import cheap goods made by very poor people. Its a type of serfdom.....

Yeah, it's a shocker. As Buddha said, you can do great things with money, or be a greedy sod.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/...acts-and-stats

[rl4engc]

MEP Luke Flanagan attempts to review the draft TTIP

Scary. I'll ask again, why would anyone want to be part of the EU? Forcing through secret agreements that allow countries to sue governments, and the electorate aren't even allowed to view these agreements?!

I'm guessing the people on here that are for staying are (broad generalisation coming) say aged 30-50ish, single, and have carved out a niche for themselves that means they travel all over Europe chasing that next lucrative contract, and long may that EU gravy train continue?

[BrilloPad]

Like India and China!

Luckily we give overseas aid to help the India poor.

A great pity we import cheap goods made by very poor people. Its a type of serfdom.....