Excellent article by Liam Fox on EU

[Old Greg]

so when are you & MF (aka the Walter Mitty Brigade) leaving?

You are the one who keeps insulting everyone?

To be fair to Sas, he only insults the cretins.

[PurpleGorilla]

I would still be fascinated to hear how the boomers sold Singapore.

We owned it then gave it away - sold out sold up the river. Sold a pup to future generations.

[The_Equalizer]

I have worked numerous times in East European countries with no problems, it has not only provided me with further contacts to provide services but also broadened my outlook. You too, if so wished, could also work, live and play in these countries. As to the migrant problem, they're acting very much like the UK in that respect...

I think what we're getting from this chit-chat is that it suits Remainers to remain and Brexiters to exit. However, for the majority, save for a nice couple of weeks in the sun once a year, the things that benefit Remainers are of no use. So damstadt gets to work all over Europe. For my postman, plumber, barber, train driver, and most of the people I work this is of bu66er all use. What they do experience is eye watering housing costs, full schools, and busy roads.

So the argument is that Brexit won't reduce immigration. May be, maybe not, but they are 100% certain that remaining will, if anything, make it worse.

The message from Remainers is 'we're all right jack'. Just look at Major. He may have been born in Brixton, but I suggest that he's somewhat removed from the thick of it in his multi-million pound Thames-side apartment as are the rest of them.

Perhaps everyone should state their position before commenting.

[darmstadt]

So damstadt gets to work all over Europe. For my postman, plumber, barber, train driver, and most of the people I work this is of bu66er all use. What they do experience is eye watering housing costs, full schools, and busy roads.

Why is this bugger all use? I've met British plumbers, building site workers, hairdressers and so on in Europe alongside other EU nationalities. Just because some people want to sit at home and moan about house prices rather than get off their fat arses and go and look for a, possibly better, life then they only have themselves to blame. You know, migration can be two way but that's up to you...

[The_Equalizer]

Why is this bugger all use? I've met British plumbers, building site workers, hairdressers and so on in Europe alongside other EU nationalities. Just because some people want to sit at home and moan about house prices rather than get off their fat arses and go and look for a, possibly better, life then they only have themselves to blame. You know, migration can be two way but that's up to you...

That's right. All the people who don't work abroad are lazy ba5tards and deserve to be trampled all over. So you're suggesting that my barber will reap huge rewards by heading off to Eastern Europe? You and I know full well that immigration isn't two way for this level of income. I'm sure you have met plumbers and hairdressers in Europe, but are you trying to tell me that the postman can get a round in France, save a nice deposit £50K/10% for his £500K two bed new build in Slough (to use an example posted in a recent previous thread) and come back and finish paying the remaining £450K by doing overtime?

I remember the 90s, where anyone with a job could with a bit of effort, buy their own place and have a reasonable standard of living. Even in London. It was very much the embodiment of what you are touting. I thought it fantastic. But the great and the good (in this case mainly New Labour) decided to mix things up a bit. They wanted lots of new voters - who ironically they believed would be loyal to them - and thought the UK was a bit too 'British' for their cosmopolitan outlook. Anyone who disagreed would be damned by being called racist, a little Englander, or just too stupid to understand what was going on around them.

So after a couple of decades of pouring people into the UK, very 'iffy' monetary policy and an ever dividing society, we find ourselves here. There is a certain level whose head is above the crap, partly by luck in terms of being born before housing cost went into the stratosphere, and, yes partly through hard work. But there is also a certain part of society that have been stuffed and they aren't thick or lazy. In fact, quite the opposite.

Anyway, the point of my original comment was to say that it suits the Remainers, mainly for financial reasons, to vote remain. Would you agree? And by the same logic, it suits the thick, racist little Englanders who 'don't get the bigger' picture to hope that Breixt might just get the government they voted for - and not some far away European council - to help them just a little bit.

[sasguru]

And by the same logic, it suits the thick, racist little Englanders who 'don't get the bigger' picture to hope that Breixt might just get the government they voted for - and not some far away European council - to help them just a little bit.

Your argument doesn't even make logical sense.
Both Thatcher (who dismantled the industrial base, saying services were the future) and Blair (who opened the borders to East Europeans when he could have used the moratorium on Eastern workers which Germany used) had huge majorities. So the people got the government they voted for.
Recently the Tories got the majority they craved and started gouging money out of their natural supporters.
The mistakes made in this country cannot be blamed on Europe.

[vetran]

If we remain logically every multi national will do the following.

Incorporate in Ireland, have lunch with the Danes & pay sod all tax.

Move most of their pan european activities to Eastern Europe.

Withdraw from high cost countries except for a sales & limited service (on site only = everything else will be done in the East) presence.

Land goods at a price that means they don't pay any UK tax. Ditto for staff.

So basically they will hollow out the UK. We will be saying what we say about Google & Starbucks about every multinational. If we are lucky we might get given a few Million in tax to shut the papers up.


Darmy however will be able to still work anywhere he wants. Something that wouldn't change apart from more paperwork if we Brexited.

[darmstadt]

If we leave logically every multi national will do the following.

Incorporate in Ireland, have lunch with the Danes & pay sod all tax.

Move most of their pan european activities to Eastern Europe.

Withdraw from high cost countries except for a sales & limited service (on site only = everything else will be done in the East) presence.

Land goods at a price that means they don't pay any UK tax. Ditto for staff.

So basically they will hollow out the UK. We will be saying what we say about Google & Starbucks about every multinational. If we are lucky we might get given a few Million in tax to shut the papers up.


Darmy however will be able to still work anywhere he wants. Something that wouldn't change apart from more paperwork if we Brexited.

FTFY

[sasguru]

If we remain logically every multi national will do the following.

Incorporate in Ireland, have lunch with the Danes & pay sod all tax.

Move most of their pan european activities to Eastern Europe.

Withdraw from high cost countries except for a sales & limited service (on site only = everything else will be done in the East) presence.

Land goods at a price that means they don't pay any UK tax. Ditto for staff.

So basically they will hollow out the UK. We will be saying what we say about Google & Starbucks about every multinational. If we are lucky we might get given a few Million in tax to shut the papers up.


Darmy however will be able to still work anywhere he wants. Something that wouldn't change apart from more paperwork if we Brexited.

So you think Brexit won't cause hollowing out as multinationals move their HQs to Europe to take advantage of the much bigger market?
In a way if Brexit does happen, it will be quite amusing to see the sudden dawning of reality in place of wishful thinking.

[Old Greg]

We owned it then gave it away - sold out sold up the river. Sold a pup to future generations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers

Baby boomers are people born during the demographic post–World War II baby boom approximately between the years 1946 and 1964

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore

Self-government 1959–63

During the May 1959 elections, the People's Action Party won a landslide victory. Singapore became an internally self-governing state within the Commonwealth, with Lee Kuan Yew as its first Prime Minister.[29] Governor Sir William Allmond Codrington Goode served as the first Yang di-Pertuan Negara (Head of State), and was succeeded by Yusof bin Ishak, who became the first President of Singapore in 1965.[30]


Merger with Malaysia 1963–65

The founding father of modern Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew declaring the formation of the Federation of Malaysia on 16 September 1963 in Singapore.

As a result of the 1962 Merger Referendum, on 31 August 1963 Singapore joined with the Federation of Malaya, the Crown Colony of Sarawak and the Crown Colony of North Borneo to form the new federation of Malaysia under the terms of the Malaysia Agreement. Singaporean leaders chose to join Malaysia primarily due to concerns over its limited land size, scarcity of water, markets and natural resources. Some Singaporean and Malaysian politicians were also concerned that the communists might form the government on the island, a possibility perceived as an external threat to the Federation of Malaya.

However, shortly after the merger, the Singapore state government and the Malaysian central government disagreed on many political and economic issues, and communal strife culminated in the 1964 race riots in Singapore. After many heated ideological conflicts between the two governments, on 9 August 1965, the Malaysian Parliament voted 126 to 0 to expel Singapore from Malaysia with Singaporean delegates not present.[8][31][32]

So can you explain exactly how the boomers "sold" Singapore, given the above timelines?