Has the USA gone mad?

[SueEllen]

I'm even more confused about this election than the Brexit vote next month and I'm always nervous about getting in a political debate with the locals here in the North East US as it just shows how divided people are on what the real issues are here on a national level.

Both are bad options (I don't like either of them as people) but I agree with an earlier poster that whoever is elected despite all the rhetoric they will slip into the Washington mindset soon enough. It's a similar story back in the UK too with New Labour being more conservative than the conservatives at the time when they were in power.

I'm still waiting for my Brexit postal vote to come across the pond and will think long and hard about what each side is proposing and try to cut through the BS

Vote for the greater Northern Irish good.

Well you aren't in the UK and us on the main land want to keep them happy.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Light at the end of the tunnel. If trump gets potus, then when europe falls and the cuckolded emasculated brits are offering themselves to the savage hoards to be eaten next - then relocating to the USA might be a viable option.

[d000hg]

Except only an idiot would want to prove to Trumpmerica.

[LondonManc]

Except only an idiot would want to prove to Trumpmerica.

And only an idiot uses the argument that Trump is worse than Clinton because they disagree with what Trump stands for. Yet another well-constructed argument from camp d000hg, up there with free arts courses when we're short of science teachers.

[d000hg]

And only an idiot uses the argument that Trump is worse than Clinton because they disagree with what Trump stands for.

Um, no that's how people make decisions. What on earth other argument would any rational person make?

Trump is worse than Clinton because he's a spiteful, egotistical bigot who inspires hatred.

[LondonManc]

Um, no that's how people make decisions. What on earth other argument would any rational person make?

Trump is worse than Clinton because he's a spiteful, egotistical bigot who inspires hatred.

Ah, Hillary. How's the FBI investigation into her mishandling of classified information?
She's a war-monger to boot. Don't you remember her "We came, we saw, he died!" exclamation about Gaddafi, taken down as he considered selling oil in a currency other than the mighty dollar? To compound the misery, they stepped back afterwards and let Libya disintegrate.

She's not even a leftie; she's in bed with big banks and big pharma. Trump's a protectionist and patriot; while his ideas may be odd at times and to the Corbynites repulsive, they are aimed at arresting America's slide that Obama seems to be letting go unchecked; something that Clinton has signed up to continue. But, yeah, Trump is somehow worse.

[SueEllen]

Ah, Hillary. How's the FBI investigation into her mishandling of classified information?
She's a war-monger to boot. Don't you remember her "We came, we saw, he died!" exclamation about Gaddafi, taken down as he considered selling oil in a currency other than the mighty dollar? To compound the misery, they stepped back afterwards and let Libya disintegrate.

She's not even a leftie; she's in bed with big banks and big pharma. Trump's a protectionist and patriot; while his ideas may be odd at times and to the Corbynites repulsive, they are aimed at arresting America's slide that Obama seems to be letting go unchecked; something that Clinton has signed up to continue. But, yeah, Trump is somehow worse.

They are as bad as each other but least we know one can do the job. Also if you want to be POTUS it's a good idea not to call some rulers of foreign nations terrorists because of their religious beliefs.

[OwlHoot]

Also if you want to be POTUS it's a good idea not to call some rulers of foreign nations terrorists because of their religious beliefs.

If as PM you want to be on good terms with the probable next POTUS, it's a Bad Idea to call him "divisive, stupid, and wrong"

[VectraMan]

I'm a bit confused by the Hilary-hatred. I always had the impression that she was good and well respected, if perhaps seen as a bit of a wishy washy liberal. Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention.

When it costs near enough $1bn just to be a candidate to be the party nominee no honest person can possibly run for The White House, so everyone's in the pocket of someone. I suppose you can say that Trump is at least in his own pocket.

[d000hg]

I'm a bit confused by the Hilary-hatred. I always had the impression that she was good and well respected, if perhaps seen as a bit of a wishy washy liberal. Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention.

I think that's accurate except with Trump sympathisers. Certainly the popular (of course that's the same as ignorant) view. When the people denouncing her are supporting someone like Trump, that's more of an endorsement.