Expats lose referendum vote legal bid

[NotAllThere]

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Absolutely the moment that they meet the requirements to be granted a vote. The same way millions of people who have immigrated to the UK over many decades have already done.

And one of those requirements is "being a citizen".

[meridian]

Now that's pretty daft thing - vote should be for citizens only, that's the whole point.

Yes, I get a vote. No, I'm not a citizen of the U.K. [emoji14]

[SueEllen]

Correct, the Commonwealth is Britain's own 'EU' only we're in charge and not Johnny Foreigner

Well we had to get people fit enough to be in our armed forces to be cannon fodder from somewhere as the Welsh, Northerners and Scottish were very unfit in mind and body.

[Lost It]

Want it both ways?

I get a feeling that these "expats" want all the benefits of being within the UK system and don't want it to end but the public (not the big business mindless we still don't have enough billions corporations) who stay here and suffer the consequences of being in the EU have frankly had enough. This is a vote for your own conscience, not a vote to make the rich even richer. That's what is missing in this discussion. All we hear is how much worse off we will be financially. Nothing about how much worse off -or not- that we will be in our minds and bodies.

The ones that "grin and bear it" should be the ones who get a vote, not the ones that have run away to a better life.

The main scare story is that if Turkey etc. get access to the EU, as our minimum wage is far higher than any other country there will be many more economic migrants that don't add anything to the skills shortage we are suffering now. There's only so many "Polish Plumbers" needed. There's only so many jobs that economic migrants can fill.

It's this form of scare story that has most of the weight regarding the EU. If we are in, we cannot ever stop economic migrants, we don't have the infrastructure, power supplies, water supplies, housing, jobs, even sewage capacity for the numbers we have in the UK now. That's why, IMHO we are going to vote for Brexit. I know I am.

Because what we really need to get our country back on track is exactly what is in use in Australia, Canada, the US, New Zealand and many other countries no doubt. If we need your skills then you have a job. If we don't need more road sweepers then you don't get in. It's not isolationist, it's a matter of getting the influx of people we need, not the ones who are selling all they have to come here and sweep up. Or not.
I don't for one second beieve that immigrants come here for benefits, most that I come in contact with are here to earn a living. And they need everything that any other resident needs. Security, a wage, somewhere to live and taps that work, power that can be switched on.

We are at a stage now that in a few short years we will be unable to supply quite a bit of that through rather strange government policies that turn off generating power before the new stuff has even got foundations laid. That keep building pointless railways, that spend treasure dropping bombs on places we only know about because they are on the telly. Never mind. We won't be able to watch it when we run out of juice. Or use the web.

Rant over..

[darmstadt]

Trolling Sockie rubbish Rant over..

FTFY

BTW, I think if you research it a bit you'll find other countries in the EU have a higher minimum wage than the UK

[Old Greg]

I get a feeling that these "expats" want all the benefits of being within the UK system and don't want it to end but the public (not the big business mindless we still don't have enough billions corporations) who stay here and suffer the consequences of being in the EU have frankly had enough. This is a vote for your own conscience, not a vote to make the rich even richer. That's what is missing in this discussion. All we hear is how much worse off we will be financially. Nothing about how much worse off -or not- that we will be in our minds and bodies.

The ones that "grin and bear it" should be the ones who get a vote, not the ones that have run away to a better life.

The main scare story is that if Turkey etc. get access to the EU, as our minimum wage is far higher than any other country there will be many more economic migrants that don't add anything to the skills shortage we are suffering now. There's only so many "Polish Plumbers" needed. There's only so many jobs that economic migrants can fill.

It's this form of scare story that has most of the weight regarding the EU. If we are in, we cannot ever stop economic migrants, we don't have the infrastructure, power supplies, water supplies, housing, jobs, even sewage capacity for the numbers we have in the UK now. That's why, IMHO we are going to vote for Brexit. I know I am.

Because what we really need to get our country back on track is exactly what is in use in Australia, Canada, the US, New Zealand and many other countries no doubt. If we need your skills then you have a job. If we don't need more road sweepers then you don't get in. It's not isolationist, it's a matter of getting the influx of people we need, not the ones who are selling all they have to come here and sweep up. Or not.
I don't for one second beieve that immigrants come here for benefits, most that I come in contact with are here to earn a living. And they need everything that any other resident needs. Security, a wage, somewhere to live and taps that work, power that can be switched on.

We are at a stage now that in a few short years we will be unable to supply quite a bit of that through rather strange government policies that turn off generating power before the new stuff has even got foundations laid. That keep building pointless railways, that spend treasure dropping bombs on places we only know about because they are on the telly. Never mind. We won't be able to watch it when we run out of juice. Or use the web.

Rant over..

Well this emigrant is going to vote remain just to spite you.

[AtW]

I get a feeling that these "expats" want all the benefits of being within the UK system

Yeah, greedy barstewards want to be within UK system but live outside of UK.

[Mordac]

The main scare story is that if Turkey etc. get access to the EU, as our minimum wage is far higher than any other country there will be many more economic migrants that don't add anything to the skills shortage we are suffering now.

Yeah, but think of the kebabs...

[vetran]

FTFY

BTW, I think if you research it a bit you'll find other countries in the EU have a higher minimum wage than the UK

They do

File:Minimum wages, January 2016 (¹) (EUR per month) YB16-II.png - Statistics Explained

however many of them don't and not everyone wants to learn German.

Also the average wage is much lower than the top 5

File:Minimum wages as a proportion of the mean value of average gross monthly earnings, 2014 (¹) (%) YB16-II.png - Statistics Explained

[darmstadt]

They do

File:Minimum wages, January 2016 (¹) (EUR per month) YB16-II.png - Statistics Explained

however many of them don't and not everyone wants to learn German.

Also the average wage is much lower than the top 5

File:Minimum wages as a proportion of the mean value of average gross monthly earnings, 2014 (¹) (%) YB16-II.png - Statistics Explained

Whats German got to do with it or do you have something against Germans (if so then we could start calling you racist ) You might have noticed from those figures, and others, that Germany is in fact lower than the UK and actually only brought in a minimum wage last year