Why I'll be voting to stay in Europe

[seanraaron]

The UK sits exactly in between France (better than UK) and Italy (worse than UK) debt wise as %of GDP

Shhhh, you're ruining dreams of sovereignty here!

[The_Equalizer]

Shhhh, you're ruining dreams of sovereignty here!

How exactly? We have our own currency still. That gives you room for manoeuvre.

[MrMarkyMark]

Shhhh, you're ruining dreams of sovereignty here!

What like the ones the Scottish have

[sasguru]

How exactly? We have our own currency still. That gives you room for manoeuvre.

Yes we can print money, devaluing it and become a banana republic on the edge of Europe.
Given the UK's basic lack of discipline over the years, that seems an inevitable outcome anyway.
The countries of the Euro are being squeezed and it's an interesting experiment to see what sort of effect the discipline that Germany is now belatedly imposing (maybe too late) will have.

[NotAllThere]

Not sure what your point is - are you saying that the UK would be less connected and therefore wouldn't get the EU immigrants? Both points seem unlikely to me.

If the UK pulls out of the EU it will be in the same situation as any other non-EU country that doesn't have separate treaties with the EU. The laws allowing EU citizens to live and work within Britain will be in abeyance.

I assume some provision will be made and an agreement reach with the EU for people already resident in the UK, but I don't see any reason why immigration from the EU would continue, nor why freedom of movement to/from the EU and the UK should continue.

[DodgyAgent]

what sort of effect the discipline that Germany is now belatedly imposing (maybe too late) will have.

You mean like this?

Greece's economic crisis goes on, like an odyssey without end | Business | The Guardian

[The_Equalizer]

You mean like this?

Greece's economic crisis goes on, like an odyssey without end | Business | The Guardian

Oh, and there's Italy too.

[sasguru]

If the UK pulls out of the EU it will be in the same situation as any other non-EU country that doesn't have separate treaties with the EU. The laws allowing EU citizens to live and work within Britain will be in abeyance.

I assume some provision will be made and an agreement reach with the EU for people already resident in the UK, but I don't see any reason why immigration from the EU would continue, nor why freedom of movement to/from the EU and the UK should continue.

If so, I doubt multinationals will find all the talent they require in the UK, so relocation to the wider labour pool of Europe would make sense.

[sasguru]

You mean like this?

Greece's economic crisis goes on, like an odyssey without end | Business | The Guardian

Greece is a special case that should never have been allowed into Europe anyway.
A genuine Balkan banana republic.

[sasguru]

Oh, and there's Italy too.

Italy is a funny one, has some very sound parts of its economy, actually exports more than the UK.
Could be very viable with a bit of political strength.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ies_by_exports