Why I'll be voting to stay in Europe

[sasguru]

Y'all wanna vote Tory, suck it up when they do what Tories do.

DO you have any idea what Conservative philosophy is? Read Burke? Aware of the arguments for a small state? Got any explanation for why workers paradises always lead to a 0.01% elite who can afford to eat from closed-off shops while the rest of the population queues up for food? Any idea of cause and effect in Greece's condition, compared to say, Malta's?

[The_Equalizer]

Y'all wanna vote Tory, suck it up when they do what Tories do.

I've got a very good friend that is forever banging on about how the Tories are akin to the devil with Facebook being a favourite outlet. None of it makes sense to me, but, the poor lad was brainwashed by his Commie parents from a small age.

[sasguru]

I've got a very good friend that is forever banging on about how the Tories are akin to the devil with Facebook being a favourite outlet. None of it makes sense to me, but, the poor lad was brainwashed by his Commie parents from a small age.

This is a new phenomenon. I think it is explained by the expansion of education in the 90s where many of mediocre intellectual gifts went (and are going) to crappy higher education institutions and were (and are) brainwashed by the prevailing academic orthodoxy that Labour is in some way superior to the Conservatives.
Then of course one can "virtue signal" by condemning "the Tories" without trying to analyse anything at all.

[seanraaron]

DO you have any idea what Conservative philosophy is? Read Burke? Aware of the arguments for a small state? Got any explanation for why workers paradises always lead to a 0.01% elite who can afford to eat from closed-off shops while the rest of the population queues up for food? Any idea of cause and effect in Greece's condition, compared to say, Malta's?

If you have a book in the wings which explains how all workers paradises turn out to be ruled by elites I'm sure someone would love to read it, but not me. I found Marx's attempts to come up with governing principles about revolution amusing enough.

The Tories aren't evil per se, they're just crypto-libertarians that are too gutless to come out and say it. Preferring to take down state institutions gradually whilst pretending it's for the benefit of the public, even as they leave them in poverty and enrich themselves.

Parasitism, I think it's called? I guess if you wear a suit it's more appealing than if you're on the dole, though.

[DodgyAgent]

If you have a book in the wings which explains how all workers paradises turn out to be ruled by elites I'm sure someone would love to read it, but not me. I found Marx's attempts to come up with governing principles about revolution amusing enough.

The Tories aren't evil per se, they're just crypto-libertarians that are too gutless to come out and say it. Preferring to take down state institutions gradually whilst pretending it's for the benefit of the public, even as they leave them in poverty and enrich themselves.

Parasitism, I think it's called? I guess if you wear a suit it's more appealing than if you're on the dole, though.

Coming from a person who lives according to Tory values I think the word is hypocrite

[seanraaron]

Coming from a person who lives according to Tory values I think the word is hypocrite

Nah, parasite is better: sucking the life's blood of the working classes in return for SFA.

[sasguru]

If you have a book in the wings which explains how all workers paradises turn out to be ruled by elites I'm sure someone would love to read it, but not me. I found Marx's attempts to come up with governing principles about revolution amusing enough.

The Tories aren't evil per se, they're just crypto-libertarians that are too gutless to come out and say it. Preferring to take down state institutions gradually whilst pretending it's for the benefit of the public, even as they leave them in poverty and enrich themselves.

Parasitism, I think it's called? I guess if you wear a suit it's more appealing than if you're on the dole, though.

Parasitism? I would think the arch-exemplar of that state is Tony Blair, the deranged multi-millionaire crypto-socialist.
Most professional politicians nowadays are parasites, having done little else that qualifies them for the role.

As for "taking down state institutions", if you mean the NHS, it's high time that unfit-for-purpose institution was taken down with its mediocre experience and outcomes, while we model our health system on more succesful models such as that in France, Spain or Germany.
But it won't be possible over the cries of the bien pensant Islingtonites who in any case have private medical insurance and private education up to their gills.

Always amuses me how Lefties tie themselves up in knots with their "post-modernist" thinking - a case in point being Europe, which has really confused them now it seems that Germany is not the poster-boy social-democratic state they liked but rather a villainous "neo-liberal" (whenever someone uses that cliched term it's a sure indicator they're thick as mince) state which insists on living within its means and assumes others will too.

And it has me in stitches when arch-feminists like Naomi Klein and Arundhati Roy claim that Assange is oppressed because he chose to lock himself up so he wouldn't have to answer rape charges. Cognitive dissonance, much?

[PurpleGorilla]

Not quite, both the UK and France have debts at about 90% of GDP, Italy has debts of over 126%.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gove...ebt#By_country

Whilst I realise the data is a couple of years old, the deficits in France and the U.K. have been similar, so the overall amounts will be similar.

How about Japan...




I haven't put China's up, because it is bull tulip.

[seanraaron]

@sassy Well enjoy your make-believe money. Maybe someday you can spend some of it on "superior health insurance" after your parasitic representatives scrap the NHS.

I'll be up north helping build the wall to try to fend off the refugees fleeing from your successes...

[sasguru]

@sassy Well enjoy your make-believe money. Maybe someday you can spend some of it on "superior health insurance" after your parasitic representatives scrap the NHS.

I'll be up north helping build the wall to try to fend off the refugees fleeing from your successes...

I have private health insurance already - it's enabled me to bypass the horrendous waiting lists on the NHS.
But then I believe in self-reliance and hard work, you know those fuddy-duddy values that aren't relevant anymore because you can just print money and hand it out

Build your wall, just make sure you let out all the energetic and intelligent Scots who'll be flocking South to make their fortune, as they have done for centuries.