Section 172

[WTFH]

I would but it would be against my core principles, accepting guilt when they haven't had to prove anything. Or the keeper is guilty by default.

S172 is basically:

Were you driving? YES - Give us your details. NO - Give us the details of who was.

She could say it was her, then dispute it, but then she's already said it was. There's no option on the form to provide a list of possible drivers.

Thinking the best bet is to email the police address given and say we've investigated, we were both in car travelling to XYZ at that time, can't remember who was driving, very sorry but I've told you everything I can as I am required to do under S172.

Was one of you driving the car at the time?
Do you think the camera was correct in photographing the car travelling above the legal speed limit for that place?
Are you just wasting police time that could be spent catching illegal immigrants who are giving us cancer and affecting our house prices?

[stek]

As this is general I'll bite... You can't remember who was in charge of a ton of metal on a public highway in the last few months... Riiiiiiight.

How can they be expected to remember if they were both pissed?

[LondonManc]

If there has been no attempt on your part to with–hold information deliberately or negligently, you may have a defence. However, such circumstances are rare as you are required to make reasonable and diligent enquiries regarding identification so if you cannot do so, it would be prudent to seek legal advice before returning the Notice of Intended Prosecution. If you require assistance at this stage, please use our Summary Telephone Advice Service. If you are still unable to provide information to the Police, you should expect to end up in Court as the Police are now very likely to prosecute for failing to identify the driver. Whilst the Police will infer that there is no justified defence, the Courts have not always agreed. Each case will hinge on the efforts made to identify. For example, before, declaring that you cannot identify the driver, ask to see the Police photos, which whilst used by the prosecution to identify the vehicle only, may actually assist you in identifying the driver.

Cock it up and you're facing 6 points and a £1000 fine. Ultimately the registered keeper has a legal duty to provide the identity of the driver. If you genuinely cannot remember, get in touch with a lawyer who specializes in this to prepare your defence.

[rl4engc]

As this is general I'll bite... You can't remember who was in charge of a ton of metal on a public highway in the last few months... Riiiiiiight.

No, as the annoying acronym goes, KUATB.

As stated in the set up we are both named drivers on each others cars, which means when we're both out and about on general duties, we swap and change the driver on a hour-by basis, dependent upon things such as the needyness of rl4.jr, willingless of each party to drive and the phase of the moon.

[northernladuk]

No, as the annoying acronym goes, KUATB.

As stated in the set up we are both named drivers on each others cars, which means when we're both out and about on general duties, we swap and change the driver on a hour-by basis, dependent upon things such as the needyness of rl4.jr, willingless of each party to drive and the phase of the moon.

As is the situation with many people, myself included, but together we can work out who was driving at any particular time. Sorry, don't buy it but if it is the truth then the only thing you are going to have to work out is who is going to cop for it. Not knowing isn't a defence here unless you've got the best lawyer in the game and you play golf with the judge.

[VectraMan]

I think the rule is that you can only take the SAC once in a two year period.

The one I did recently they asked at the start if anyone had done it before and half the class put their hands up.

There might be some entertainment value in holding it up and asking the police for a front picture, but I doubt you'll get away with it.

[stek]

No, as the annoying acronym goes, KUATB.

As stated in the set up we are both named drivers on each others cars, which means when we're both out and about on general duties, we swap and change the driver on a hour-by basis, dependent upon things such as the needyness of rl4.jr, willingless of each party to drive and the phase of the moon.

In that case if you can't remember who was driving it's down to you for not ensuring you know who's driving, as you could be snapped at any time. As SM said, if you can't/won't say the assumption is the registered keeper was driving so pleading 'sorry, don't know' won't work I'm afraid.

Take the rap, you don't want an MS90 believe me, my mate got one, and now he finds some people won't even insure him, and when they do the premiums are multiplied.....

[SimonMac]

One person forgetting is unfortunate, two people both forgetting is a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice

[I just need to test it]

So if the authorities do produce a front-facing photo, and the "wrong" person is in the drivers seat, what would you do?

[rl4engc]

Was one of you driving the car at the time?

Yes

Do you think the camera was correct in photographing the car travelling above the legal speed limit for that place?

Yes

Are you just wasting police time that could be spent catching illegal immigrants who are giving us cancer and affecting our house prices?

I'll shortly be using Police time in querying this automatically sent speeding invoice fine. Since neither of us can say with certainty who was driving, nor reasonably obtain proof to allow us to do so (write to every business and household on the route if they can look at their CCTV at the approximate time in question?)

Police time that like you say, could be better used tracking down some ex-TV star that at some time in the 1970's may have cupped some womans breast..