Section 172

[vetran]

The registered keeper of the vehicle authorizes who drives the car. Or are you not familiar with how that side of things work?

every time in a husband & wife case? be realistic.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be fined & get points but surely you can see the Police are not really doing a very good job in this case?

[WTFH]

No need

Everyone knows it is the one in the street with the black stranglers gloves.

That's why all my neighbours got surprise presents of black gloves at Christmas...

[MrMarkyMark]

FTFY

That's why everybody I know got surprise presents of black gloves at Christmas...

[rl4engc]

The registered keeper of the vehicle authorizes who drives the car. Or are you not familiar with how that side of things work?

What utter tulip.

So, lets say all Royal Mail vehicles, the registered keeper of each of them will probably be the CEO of Royal Mail or some such, are all the posties expected to ask his authorization to use the vehicle each time they use it? Of course not. But for a company they should have systems in place where a driver can be identified.

Are you seriously suggesting that all families should keep a log of every time a 'pool car' (which is effectively what it is) is used, right down to:

- Driver A drove from home to Tesco. Arrived 09:30
- Driver B drove from Tesco (Dep 10:30) to McDonalds. (Arr 10:50)
- Driver A drove from McDonalds (Dep 11:30) to Home (Arr 12:00)



Right now I'm thinking there are two options:

a) Email the rozzers explaining we genuinely don't know who was driving, but show diligence by demonstrating how we've looked for evidence that would identify the driver.
b) One of us just take the hit, play the system and get to sit in a SAC for a few hours.


I normally fight any tulip like this so naturally lean towards (a), but that could end up the keeper hauled up before some court to get slapped with 6 points and £1k fine. So am thinking just doing (b) but that would really, really piss me off as I know that's exactly what they want you to do.

[TheFaQQer]

I normally fight any tulip like this so naturally lean towards (a), but that could end up the keeper hauled up before some court to get slapped with 6 points and £1k fine. So am thinking just doing (b) but that would really, really piss me off as I know that's exactly what they want you to do.

Fight the system. Go with (a), fight it and let us know how you get on.

[MrMarkyMark]

Fight the system. Go with (a), fight it and let us know how you get on.

+1
Especially the 2nd bit.

Do you still get free stamps when incarcerated, these days?

[TheFaQQer]

Fight the system. Go with (a), fight it and let us know how you get on.

I should add - just don't let Isabel Oakeshott know the details

[stek]

Fight the system. Go with (a), fight it and let us know how you get on.

Only a matter of time....

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...-got-ms90.html

[MrMarkyMark]

Only a matter of time....

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...-got-ms90.html

Oh ye of little faith.

I think he should fight and try and take some of the barstewards down, during the inevitable court appearance.

He will feel better

[rl4engc]

Rapidly coming to the conclusion that S172 is a difficult area to fight and win as the usual rules don't apply, i.e. they don't have to find you guilty, they could easily drag you to court and because the magistrate didn't get his blowjob last night decides to take it out on that mornings defendants.

:nazi: Six points and £1000 fine. :nazi: Next! :nazi:

The SAC way at least the insurance companies and government doesn't get any of our money.

Relying on common sense to prevail in a court of law would probably be an expensive mistake sadly.