Muslims and terrorism, do they just accept it?

[PurpleGorilla]

As long as we don't hurt each other, is integration essential?

This seems to be a western model.

I'm just putting it out there.

[DodgyAgent]

As long as we don't hurt each other, is integration essential?

This seems to be a western model.

I'm just putting it out there.

I think it is essential. If people are going to hold to a common set of values and laws then everyone should feel that they are equal in the eyes of the law and in access to jobs and education.

[MrMarkyMark]

As long as we don't hurt each other, is integration essential?

This seems to be a western model.

I'm just putting it out there.

Not essential, no.
It may be a western model, but, they are settling in a western country.

On the other hand, try going to Saudi and acting, even slightly, western there, i.e. not following their model.

You would be in jail.

[SpontaneousOrder]

As long as we don't hurt each other, is integration essential?

This seems to be a western model.

I'm just putting it out there.

It's a bit of a tautology. Without freedom of association, we have no way of signalling what is and isn't acceptable, or desirable, behaviour. That means that eventually people will hurt each other as the law leaves us no alternative.

It might as well read "Peaceful non-integration is fine, so long as it's peaceful. So who cares if we integrate?".

[BrilloPad]

As long as we don't hurt each other, is integration essential?

This seems to be a western model.

I'm just putting it out there.

Yes. If I went to Saudi I would expect to follow their cultures and laws.

[Gumbo Robot]

Not essential, no.
It may be a western model, but, they are settling in a western country.

On the other hand, try going to Saudi and acting, even slightly, western there, i.e. not following their model.

You would be in jail.

Oh I don't know. They don't mind you brewing Jeddah Gin so long as it all happens within the compound.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Yes. If I went to Saudi I would expect to follow their cultures and laws.

Right. And whether their culture & laws are good or bad is besides the point. Cultural diversity is a recipe for violence. Cultural homogeneity is a recipe for progress. Whomever has the good set of cultures & laws will prosper, and those that don't will eventually see what they're missing out on.

And no, I wouldn't consider the Spanish culture, for example, to be distinct from our own in any meaningful sense of the word.

[Gumbo Robot]

Yes. If I went to Saudi I would expect to follow their cultures and laws.

You'd be down Chop Chop Square after morning prayers every Friday to watch the beheadings and amputations?

[MrMarkyMark]

Oh I don't know. They don't mind you brewing Jeddah Gin so long as it all happens within the compound.

I sort of knew that already, however, I was alluding to being out there in general.

[DodgyAgent]

Yes. If I went to Saudi I would expect to follow their cultures and laws.

Like beating your wife?