Muslims and terrorism, do they just accept it?

[psychocandy]

We've allowed all this cr@p to spread by our pernicious doctrine of multiculturalism. We need to stop operating a 2 tier system in this country. No halal, no sharia courts etc (and no kosher too) - they have to accept our western secular society . That means being totally ruthless when it comes to dealing with the mosques & madrassas that are preaching this bile.

Nip it all in the bud in other words.

It's no good bombing ISIS when our own home grown hate preachers and jihadis are going issue the clarion call to rise up against the kaffir to a whole new raft of would be nutters as a result of our actions.

I don't know if there are any Muslim organisations that promote a tolerant form of Islam ( I don't know even if there is a form of Islam compatible with modern Western values) but they should be supported too.

Exactly, you're in the UK now. Respect our laws, traditions etc.
I would fight to protect anyones right to practice any religion they choose BUT do not expect things to change for you.

If you don't like it go elsewhere.

[darmstadt]

Stop associating with these places until they show they can behave, and surely in time the region will succumb the pressures of missed economic opportunities.


Isn't that what happened with Egypt, Lybia and Syria?

He might have a point though: Jeremy Corbyn calls for economic sanctions against banks and countries funding Isis | UK Politics | News | The Independent

Although then the UK might have to put sanctions against itself

[MrMarkyMark]

As far as I'm concerned, they have had their religion hijacked by extremists.
Most of the Muslims, I have met, are family orientated, deep, intelligent people.

Agree with others, we only get to see the sensational side of this in the mainstream press.

Exactly, you're in the UK now. Respect our laws, traditions etc.

When people first migrated here, they came to integrate, not to separate.

[DodgyAgent]

He might have a point though: Jeremy Corbyn calls for economic sanctions against banks and countries funding Isis | UK Politics | News | The Independent

Although then the UK might have to put sanctions against itself

This very good piece by Nick Cohen explains some of the attitudes of the self loathing cowards on this site Jeremy Corbyn isn’t anti-war. He’s just anti-West » The Spectator

[DodgyAgent]

The mosques and madrassa's are not where this is being spread. It's in back rooms and via the internet. Every case of home grown terrorists has followed the same pattern.

They start as regular individuals attending their local mosque. They feel disenfranchised and ignored by society at large and start challenging the local Imam. They either become disillusioned themselves and leave or they are asked to leave becasue their beliefs do not match the majority. They may or may not be reported to the authorities, it actually makes little difference. They drop out of circulation and begin to make contact with other ISIS supporters via social media and the internet. They become increasingly isolated from the rest of the community as their ISIS handlers ramp up the brainwashing to the point that they are persuaded to leave for Syria/Iraq/Afganistan or to carry out attacks at home.

In the mean time the Britain First forums are over there -> I'm sure you'd be very welcome.

You have morphed from being a funny poster to one the people that Nick Cohen talks about in this excellent article Jeremy Corbyn isn’t anti-war. He’s just anti-West » The Spectator

They rightly condemn western support for Saudi Arabia. But if the Saudis were to become the West’s enemy tomorrow, their opposition would vanish like dew in the morning sun.

[DaveB]

You have morphed from being a funny poster to one the people that Nick Cohen talks about in this excellent article Jeremy Corbyn isn’t anti-war. He’s just anti-West » The Spectator

They rightly condemn western support for Saudi Arabia. But if the Saudis were to become the West’s enemy tomorrow, their opposition would vanish like dew in the morning sun.

No it wouldnt. SA is a huge problem in it's own right. I just dont believe that reaching for a gun should be the first resort. If by some bizarre twist of fate SA started launching attacks against us then yes we should fight back.

The point I have been making in this thread was in response to the OP perpetuating the view that all Muslims support terrorism because they hadn't personally seen anything to contradict that view. It may have digressed from there but the basic argument remains the same. Demonise, marginalise and ostracise people enough and you will drive them into the arms of the terrorists.

All you have done here is yet again find someone elses words to parrot, despite the fact that you are using them completely out of context, and then try and use it to support an absurd premis, becasue you can't marshal a coherent argument of your own. It's a recurring theme with your posts and just makes you look ignorant.

I may disagree with the Purple Ape's argument but at least he has taken the time to think about it and make his own point.

[Gumbo Robot]

When people first migrated here, they came to integrate, not to separate.

I've lived and worked in a number of Middle East countries.

While the vast majority of Muslim folk I met were perfectly civil and urbane, I could never mix fully in their circles by virtue of not being Muslim (or, more accurately, Arab). Sure, I knew people who I would have a coffee with etc but
let's face it, as a westerner, I was never going to go back to their houses & kick back with their extended family.

Not sure if this is just Conservatism or an antipathy to non muslims, I suspect a bit of both but it's this that sets us apart.

That's why in the ME westerners live in a compound or, in less restrictive countries, a part of town full of other westerners.

Contrast that with South America where I also once worked where I DID get to go round to mix with the locals and socialise as you would anywhere else in the west.

[LondonManc]

I've lived and worked in a number of Middle East countries.

While the vast majority of Muslim folk I met were perfectly civil and urbane, I could never mix fully in their circles by virtue of not being Muslim (or, more accurately, Arab). Sure, I knew people who I would have a coffee with etc but
let's face it, as a westerner, I was never going to go back to their houses & kick back with their extended family.

Not sure if this is just Conservatism or an antipathy to non muslims, I suspect a bit of both but it's this that sets us apart.

That's why in the ME westerners live in a compound or, in less restrictive countries, a part of town full of other westerners.

Contrast that with South America where I also once worked where I DID get to go round to mix with the locals and socialise as you would anywhere else in the west.

A lot of the time, we simply have different ideas of kicking back and chilling - Miller Hilife.

That's no different to what's happened over here, where the same things happen in reverse. Manchester and its satellite towns all have areas where the Muslims live together. Birds of a feather, etc. No different to the huge Jewish community on the west side of Whitefield and south side of Prestwich in north Manchester, again keeping to themselves largely.

[WTFH]

A lot of the time, we simply have different ideas of kicking back and chilling - Miller Hilife.

That's no different to what's happened over here, where the same things happen in reverse. Manchester and its satellite towns all have areas where the Muslims live together. Birds of a feather, etc. No different to the huge Jewish community on the west side of Whitefield and south side of Prestwich in north Manchester, again keeping to themselves largely.

I think Oman is the only ME country I've spent time in where people seem to mix well - in Muscat and the surrounding areas people just got on with each other.
The only place that was different was the Shangri-La resort which was pretty much purpose built for Western tourists.

[DodgyAgent]

No it wouldnt. SA is a huge problem in it's own right. I just dont believe that reaching for a gun should be the first resort. If by some bizarre twist of fate SA started launching attacks against us then yes we should fight back.

The point I have been making in this thread was in response to the OP perpetuating the view that all Muslims support terrorism because they hadn't personally seen anything to contradict that view. It may have digressed from there but the basic argument remains the same. Demonise, marginalise and ostracise people enough and you will drive them into the arms of the terrorists.

All you have done here is yet again find someone elses words to parrot, despite the fact that you are using them completely out of context, and then try and use it to support an absurd premis, becasue you can't marshal a coherent argument of your own. It's a recurring theme with your posts and just makes you look ignorant.

I may disagree with the Purple Ape's argument but at least he has taken the time to think about it and make his own point.

It sounds as if the muslims are the victims here and that it is us nasty white people that do not take responsibility for integrating them?