Muslims and terrorism, do they just accept it?

[SpontaneousOrder]

I've said it before and I will say it again.

From the Muslim population you have a variety of groups.

Within Muslims you have a subset whom are Sunni
Within Sunni Muslims you have a subset whom are Wahabi/Salafist
Within Wahabi/Salafist you have a subset who sympathise with Terrorists because of their motives
Within the subset of those who sympathise you have a subset who are actually inclined to be involved in terrorism.

Saudi Arabia are the "Man City" of the Muslim sect world. Because they have been investing in their sect for the last 40 or 50 years they are now bearing the fruits (or in this case thorns). The west chose to chum up to them all these years and sell them arms which they have now used to bomb the living hell out of Yemen. All of our concern should be Saudi - they are the mother ship of ISIS and AlQaeda (Set your mind back to Independence day film). Once you take out the mother ship then within a few decades you will find a lot less extremists and everything will calm down.

Capish?

This is true. I keep implying that these ME & NA countries are full of savages, but as I've said before savagery can be sponsored - and it is the the interests of many 'leaderships' to keep them savage. And SA is the linchpin.

France supplies SA, who have a truly awful record, with billions of dollars worth of weaponry, and then acts all upset when aforementioned savages start shooting the place up.

Stop associating with these places until they show they can behave, and surely in time the region will succumb the pressures of missed economic opportunities.

Christianity wasn't very different not that long ago, and now we've progressed to the point where we can only call most western countries christian in the very loosest sense of the word.

[PurpleGorilla]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

Yes, we have heard of the UN peacekeepers.

The Dutch UN soldiers left Srebrenica and the Serbians moved in, dug trenches and shot 9000 Bosnians into them. In 95. In Europe.

Yes I remember. Too few troops and a poor mandate, amongst other things.

I'm sure they have learnt the lessons of this?

[darmstadt]

This is true. I keep implying that these ME & NA countries are full of savages, but as I've said before savagery can be sponsored - and it is the the interests of many 'leaderships' to keep them savage. And SA is the linchpin.

France and the UK, in fact any country with an arms industry, supplies SA, who have a truly awful record, with billions of dollars worth of weaponry, and then acts all upset when aforementioned savages start shooting the place up.

Stop associating with these places until they show they can behave, and surely in time the region will succumb the pressures of missed economic opportunities.

Christianity wasn't very different not that long ago, and now we've progressed to the point where we can only call most western countries christian in the very loosest sense of the word.

FTFY...

[Gumbo Robot]

We've allowed all this cr@p to spread by our pernicious doctrine of multiculturalism. We need to stop operating a 2 tier system in this country. No halal, no sharia courts etc (and no kosher too) - they have to accept our western secular society . That means being totally ruthless when it comes to dealing with the mosques & madrassas that are preaching this bile.

Nip it all in the bud in other words.

It's no good bombing ISIS when our own home grown hate preachers and jihadis are going issue the clarion call to rise up against the kaffir to a whole new raft of would be nutters as a result of our actions.

I don't know if there are any Muslim organisations that promote a tolerant form of Islam ( I don't know even if there is a form of Islam compatible with modern Western values) but they should be supported too.

[DaveB]

We've allowed all this cr@p to spread by our pernicious doctrine of multiculturalism. We need to stop operating a 2 tier system in this country. No halal, no sharia courts etc (and no kosher too) - they have to accept our western secular society . That means being totally ruthless when it comes to dealing with the mosques & madrassas that are preaching this bile.

Nip it all in the bud in other words.

It's no good bombing ISIS when our own home grown hate preachers and jihadis are going issue the clarion call to rise up against the kaffir to a whole new raft of would be nutters as a result of our actions.

I don't know if there are any Muslim organisations that promote a tolerant form of Islam ( I don't know even if there is a form of Islam compatible with modern Western values) but they should be supported too.

The mosques and madrassa's are not where this is being spread. It's in back rooms and via the internet. Every case of home grown terrorists has followed the same pattern.

They start as regular individuals attending their local mosque. They feel disenfranchised and ignored by society at large and start challenging the local Imam. They either become disillusioned themselves and leave or they are asked to leave becasue their beliefs do not match the majority. They may or may not be reported to the authorities, it actually makes little difference. They drop out of circulation and begin to make contact with other ISIS supporters via social media and the internet. They become increasingly isolated from the rest of the community as their ISIS handlers ramp up the brainwashing to the point that they are persuaded to leave for Syria/Iraq/Afganistan or to carry out attacks at home.

In the mean time the Britain First forums are over there -> I'm sure you'd be very welcome.

[DodgyAgent]

FTFY...

Stop associating with these places until they show they can behave, and surely in time the region will succumb the pressures of missed economic opportunities.


Isn't that what happened with Egypt, Lybia and Syria?

[Gumbo Robot]

In the mean time the Britain First forums are over there -> I'm sure you'd be very welcome.

That was unnecessary.

What I was basically saying is that they need to be pushed towards their own enlightenment .

[DodgyAgent]

That was unnecessary

It was

[MicrosoftBob]

Yes I remember. Too few troops and a poor mandate, amongst other things.

I'm sure they have learnt the lessons of this?

Yeah now they would just carpet bomb them with a vicious and I mean vicious leaflet drop

[PurpleGorilla]

Yeah now they would just carpet bomb them with a vicious and I mean vicious leaflet drop

Well the UN seems the most legitimate route to peace. The more contributions globally into the UN, the better it will be.