Kicking Off in Paris Again

[TykeMerc]

Funny thing. Someone says something totally reasonable, and then feels they have to add that on the end? The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

That bit tagged on the end is the result of the excessive overuse of the word racist and it being applied to situations left and right.

Hell we've seen you ban people for being racist over comments that most rational and sensible people wouldn't regard as racist, they've simply implied that people from the sub-continent, North Africa and the Middle East tend to act like utter scumbags in large numbers.

[EternalOptimist]

So it's ok to go round the world reaping havoc, supporting groups which then go on to form ISIS but when that causes innocents to flee it's not our problem? Behind your comments is an inerrant racism and lack of humanity.

I think you meant wreaking, not reaping. I also think that to make a link between someone saying 'don't let them in' with 'lets bomb them and then not let them in' is a fraud and a fool.

and that would be you

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Saudi Arabia does something translates into WE created Frankenstein ? oh right.
how does that work then ?

Yes cos the UK/US/France chum up to them and sell them arms, then they go and create a "moderate" opposition in Syria. I've been following the conflict in Syria and Iraq, ISIS has advanced western weapons provided by the US and other European countries. Whether that was intentional or not is besides the point..... We (as in the west) provided the fertile ground, provided the weapons and allowed ISIS to take control of territory.

Russia did more damage to ISIS in 1 day than the US did in 1 year for Christ's sake! open your eyes.

[SpontaneousOrder]

I would not let people into this country who do not share our values. How long would it be till we are in our own country and do not share the values of the new majority ?

even a sizeable minority can be a problem

Which is why I say we shouldn't let the 'refugees' in, despite being a no borders free market guy. So long as government force is the only way to dissuade them from coming, then I'd prefer government force to cultural suicide (and by cultural suicide I don't mean we'd all eat different food - I mean that we'd undo a thousand years of progress in one fell swoop).

In an ideal world we'd have freedom of association (and no welfare state) such that force wouldn't be necessary even with open borders.

[Zero Liability]

Two separate issues, and two wrongs don't make a right.

And pulling the racist card... classy.

Yeah, and that's a shame because I agree with his point regarding the role of Saudi Arabia in all this.

[EternalOptimist]

Yes cos the UK/US/France chum up to them and sell them arms, then they go and create a "moderate" opposition in Syria. I've been following the conflict in Syria and Iraq, ISIS has advanced western weapons provided by the US and other European countries. Wheather that was intentional or not is besides the point..... We (As in the west) provided the fertile ground, provided the weapons and allowed ISIS to take control of territory.

Russia did more damage to ISIS in 1 day than the US did in 1 year for Christ's sake! open your eyes.

sp whether.
so when my eyes are open, who created the Frankenstein, Saudi Arabia or the west ? make your mind up

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

sp whether.
so when my eyes are open, who created the Frankenstein, Saudi Arabia or the west ? make your mind up

Have you ever come across the term "Allies"?

If the west was not complicit in it then it wouldn't allow Saudi to do it. Simples really.

[Lola C]

Well, I know that up to this point you have put forward no real argument as to why I should discount his efforts, and have focused solely on attacking his person by way of insinuation, rather than the significant (and yes, this isn't just a matter of "comes across") wrongdoing on his government's part which he exposed. It doesn't follow from the fact that I am sceptical of the efficacy and morality, of mass surveillance that I "buy" everything he says, either.

As for why he did not go through the "proper" channels, try have a read of this.

|Do you always believe everything you read?

[EternalOptimist]

Have you ever come across the term "Allies"?

If the west was not complicit in it then it wouldn't allow Saudi to do it. Simples really.

well, I have to disagree with you.
I think the west bears most of the blame, the Saudis may have stuck their oar in but they did not create this Frankenstein.
The seeds were sown about a hundred years ago when we created new countries for convenience, leaving them with real problems when we pulled out.
Then Blair and bush came along and created real power vacuums. These power vacuums were filled by friendly and non-friendly murderous b@stards.
Then the arab spring created even more opportunity for murderous b@stards.

I say don't let the migrants in. Don't create a sea for the murderous b@stards to swim in and hide in. It may be harsh, but I will look after my own before I look after others
When my own are safe and secure, then I will lend a hand. maybe

and you said that was racist? that marks you out as a fool

[xoggoth]

The seeds were sown about a hundred years ago when we created new countries for convenience

Although we did play a part in liberating them from the Ottoman empire.