Kicking Off in Paris Again

[SpontaneousOrder]

You really are foolish \ a bleeding heart liberal, arent you? No, Im not and for the reasons I posted.

You posted:

Its curtailing the ability of terrorist groups and sympathysers (sp?) to bring their filth into other countries. Its stopping them the 'freedom' to spout hate, to radicalise some impressionable and not so impressionable people. Its the ability to kick them out of the country without having to go through endless hoops while they continue to spill their bile.

You want to use force to discriminate against, by expulsion, people who have committed no act of aggression based upon their lack shared values and the holding of values that you disapprove of.

In a civilised country (which we won't be for long unless something changes) you wouldn't need to point a gun at people and expel them. You would be free to not associate with them. When you're not sponsoring them with welfare, not giving them jobs, and refusing them service at your shops & restaurants - then they would be compelled by the economics of social ostracism to either conform or leave. For immigrants many may not even come in the first place.

Currently we face potential jail time for any such discriminations, and instead delegate our discriminations to the state to perform. But the state has no tool other than violence. And the state's interests aren't necessarily your own, as we see every day with hoards of single mums raising new spongers & criminals, immigrants who refuse to integrate, anti-social behaviour that can otherwise be easily and peacefully discouraged by the economics of social ostracism, etc, etc.

Instead we get an ineffective centrally planned solution in the form of government outlawing peaceful discrimination and choosing instead to wave a gun in the faces of whomever it decides is a problem, and waving a gun in the faces of those who dare suggest that the real problem may lie somewhere else.

And you call that civilised.

My point is, freedom of speech is not unfettered. It (freedom of speech) carries some responsibility such as not abusing it. Points I clearly made in my post so have absolutely no idea why you dont understand my point.

You arent Jeremy Corbyn are you?

You're not answering my question - only repeating what you said again.

Freedom of speech is unfettered by definition. I.e. in the word 'Freedom'.

Whether you think people have a right to free speech or not is another question. You either do or don't, but there is no such thing (i.e. it's a contradiction in terms) as free speech that is fettered.

I assume you mean that you think that people should have 'mostly free speech'. Of course that misses the whole point of free speech as a principle. It's the other side of 'mostly' that makes free speech, as an idea, so important. That aside, as soon as you accept anything less than absolutely free speech, the cause is already lost as what constitutes acceptable or not is now decided by committee - which is exactly antithetical to the point of free speech as a principle.

[EternalOptimist]

I would not let people into this country who do not share our values. How long would it be till we are in our own country and do not share the values of the new majority ?

even a sizeable minority can be a problem

[MarillionFan]

Only just seen the news. WTF?!?!?

[Zero Liability]

I don't think so.

so far I have heard that it is an attack on music.
then I heard its an attack on environmentalism.

I thinks all the kn0bs are out in force trying to be the biggest 'victim'


I heard that some people believe the answer is to massively INCREASE the number of refugees that Europe accepts in order to defuse inequality.

Yup, this is what the lawns behind their mansions look like:

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

It baffles me how stupid the public and some posters on here can be.

For the 10,000th time, There is a particular "interpretation" called wahabism who our chums in Saudi Arabia promote and have been financing for decades. The perpetrators are certainly not Sufi, not Ahmedi, not Zaidi, not Shia, not Ismaili, etc.

For decades the west has been turning a blind eye to Saudi funding of these extremists around the world. Further to that they joined with Saudi to support the Syrian "Rebels" (you couldn't make this stuff up) also known as ISIS, Daesh whatever you want to call them. The only guys giving up their lives to fight them are other Muslims and some Christians in Iraq/Syria/Iran and also from a certain part of Lebanon.

You want to stop ISIS then it really is quite simple - stop Saudi, ISIS's twin brother.

Oh and the other thing - the day before 40 innocent people lost their lives in Lebanon due to ISIS suicide bombings - did anybody give a damn?

These western double standards and the constant sucking up to ISIS's creator, sponsor and source shows that you reap what you sow. We created Frankenstein, now it's time to pay the bill.

[cojak]

It could be that the harder ISIS are hit in the Middle East, the harder they will try to retaliate in Europe. We'll have to brace ourselves for more of this as we become more successful against them in Iraq and Syria.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I would not let people into this country who do not share our values. How long would it be till we are in our own country and do not share the values of the new majority ?

even a sizeable minority can be a problem

So it's ok to go round the world reaping havoc, supporting groups which then go on to form ISIS but when that causes innocents to flee it's not our problem? Behind your comments is an inerrant racism and lack of humanity.

[SpontaneousOrder]

I dont get your point. The terrorists you refer to were not from the Third world countries that western countries were occupying (via colonialism) at that time.

Doesn't matter - it's all besides the point.
These are countries are, relatively speaking, largely populated by less intelligent, superstitious, & vicious people.

When their apparatus of state is dismantled and their leadership is removed, they resort to running around cutting each others heads off, burning people alive, shooting them with anti-aircraft guns, crucifixions, throwing gays off rooftops, etc etc.

That this happens shouldn't be surprising. That it then spreads to our shores shouldn't be surprising.

10 more years in Irag (and libya? etc?) is a moot point if you don't create the dystopian hell hole in the first place.

[EternalOptimist]

Saudi Arabia does something translates into WE created Frankenstein ? oh right.
how does that work then ?

[SpontaneousOrder]

So it's ok to go round the world reaping havoc, supporting groups which then go on to form ISIS but when that causes innocents to flee it's not our problem? Behind your comments is an inerrant racism and lack of humanity.

Two separate issues, and two wrongs don't make a right.

And pulling the racist card... classy.