Should mens' genitals be sliced up?

[vetran]

I think the point being made which is valid in my opinion is that

if you consider circumcision to be like someone poking a child's eye out and FGM to be like someone poking both eyes out & chopping their legs off they both obviously constitute assault & ABH. Why is circumcision not treated as assault?

[Zero Liability]

Agreed. It's a case of chopping some fingers off vs chopping an arm off.

Her statement is vague and has no clear point of reference. So in that context, SO's point is perfectly valid; one form of mutilation is by far more common than the other and even has an aura of legitimacy to it that it really shouldn't. The other is rightly condemned and kept hidden in the west and largely occurs in backwards cultures. So assuming she is not trolling, her statement simply comes across as stupid without further qualification.

Historically speaking, of course, some men were castrated and turned into eunuchs.

[BrilloPad]

Why is circumcision not treated as assault?

Because it is cultural. But then again, so is FGM.

As an aside, baby bp is tongue tied. His grandfather and great-grandfather were corrected at birth. A quick snip, 30 seconds and all is fine.

They no longer do that. As a result mrs bp could not breast feed. By the time the link was made her milk had dried up. She is still well miffed about this.

She asked her best friend, whose husband is tongue tied, whether he would have trouble giving ladies head. Apparently not.

[vetran]

She asked her best friend, whose husband is tongue tied, whether he would have trouble giving ladies head. Apparently not.

good job you got the important stuff sorted up front.

in honour of BP minor

ORDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3t3IKlXqFU

[SueEllen]

Agreed. It's a case of chopping some fingers off vs chopping an arm off.

No it isn't.

Male circumcision can be done for medical reasons, FGM never is.

Her statement is vague and has no clear point of reference. So in that context, SO's point is perfectly valid; one form of mutilation is by far more common than the other and even has an aura of legitimacy to it that it really shouldn't. The other is rightly condemned and kept hidden in the west and largely occurs in backwards cultures. So assuming she is not trolling, her statement simply comes across as stupid without further qualification.

Historically speaking, of course, some men were castrated and turned into eunuchs

I knew boys who were circumcised between 7-10 and their sisters' told me the reason for their absence from school and hospital admission. The boys were so embarrassed which is funny when lots of their male classmates were circumcised for the wrong reason. Also Embarrassing Bodies has an episode with an adult man who was circumcised.

Unfortunately people who follow some religions don't understand that certain things they do, while once they had a purpose e.g. not eating pigs because any resulting food poisoning would kill you, are no longer valid due to where they live. So circumcising baby boys for hygiene reasons has no point to it in the West where we don't have an issue with hygiene.

It can also be dangerous as while lots of hospitals offer to do it for a "donation" and people take them up on it some people still go to rabbis etc who do it without any surgical and sterilization training.

It also won't be banned in Western countries due to the persecution of one religious group.

FGM is even more dangerous regardless of who does it. It's done for cultural reasons and not related to religion. Also calling cultures backwards to excuse it doesn't help e.g. Egypt and Malaysia aren't exactly full of backwards people.

[vetran]

Sue

I was referring to any culture that mutilates children's sex organs except for medical necessity backwards so that sweeping statement includes the Americans & the Jews if you rightly count circumcision for cultural reasons as mutilation.

It should be stopped, but FGM is far more damaging and needs our attention first.

[SpontaneousOrder]

think femanazi. Your post is starting to sound like that. Its not "because I is a bloke".

Do you think (real question) if a new fad started where parents started having their female children's labia trimmed for no medical reason, it would be tolerated here in the UK ? Or (real question) do you think it would be categorised as child abuse and prosecuted?

[SpontaneousOrder]

Male circumcision can be done for medical reasons, FGM never is.

Chopping ears off can be done for medical reasons. It's still child abuse if there is no medical reason.

So circumcising baby boys for hygiene reasons has no point to it in the West where we don't have an issue with hygiene.

Circumcising boys, as a general rule, for hygiene has never been a real issue anywhere. That's like saying in the old days it would be reasonable to chop someone's arm off so that they could keep their armpits clean

Egypt and Malaysia aren't exactly full of backwards people.

Really??? lol.

[SpontaneousOrder]

It's still subjective though, and largely a product of the culture in which you chanced to be born.

It's not subjective. Both whether circumcision is child abuse, or morality.

[SpontaneousOrder]

It should be stopped, but FGM is far more damaging and needs our attention first.

FGM *is* more damaging - albeit far less widespread - so wouldn't it be easier to convince foreigners to stop mutilating their daughters if we aren't at the same time mutilating out sons?