UK net migration hits record high

[AtW]

Why do all those Brits move to Spain when they can't speak Spanish?

This for UK price of a light used BMW 3 series -

[meridian]

Why do all those Brits move to Spain when they can't speak Spanish?

Because a) Britain is a member of the EU and there is free movement between borders; b) in the main they are not scientists or engineers expecting/hoping to find work in that sector and having to take service jobs instead.

2/10, try a bit harder.

[SueEllen]

Because a) Britain is a member of the EU and there is free movement between borders; b) in the main they are not scientists or engineers expecting/hoping to find work in that sector and having to take service jobs instead.

2/10, try a bit harder.

There is no need for him to try harder as you have just answered the question yourself.

Some Spanish dislike the free movement idea as they dislike the drunken British yobs who turn up and then stay to do bar work. They also dislike the fact their health and social system now has to deal with British OAPs who have chronic conditions and can't speak a word of Spanish.

Point is in all EU and EEA countries segments of the population dislike the free movement idea.

As someone who has taken advantage of it and know others who have, the only thing that needs to change is how the British gives benefits to people.

The government have already done that with carers allowance so I personally don't understand why it's so damn hard to do with other benefits. The British government don't even bother checking if children actually exist before handing out the money in total opposite to the majority of other EU countries.

[darmstadt]

Because a) Britain is a member of the EU and there is free movement between borders; b) in the main they are not scientists or engineers expecting/hoping to find work in that sector and having to take service jobs instead.

2/10, try a bit harder.

Actually they mainly go there for a better life than they would have in Britain. Now what about all the migrants from EU countries coming to Britain ,I presume you can't complain about then as,

a) Britain is a member of the EU and there is free movement between borders;

. In fact most migrants leave their countries for a better life than they have in their homeland...

[meridian]

Actually they mainly go there for a better life than they would have in Britain. Now what about all the migrants from EU countries coming to Britain ,I presume you can't complain about then as, . In fact most migrants leave their countries for a better life than they have in their homeland...

Nope, I can't complain at all about the legal movement of people between EU states. But what yourself and SueEllen are doing is to confuse and obfuscate between "EU" and "migrants".

[darmstadt]

Nope, I can't complain at all about the legal movement of people between EU states. But what yourself and SueEllen are doing is to confuse and obfuscate between "EU" and "migrants".

So whats the difference between a Romanian or Hungarian and a Syrian or Gambian person who travels to the UK looking for a better life? As far as I can see, one is legally allowed to however in the eyes of many people they are all one and the same

[meridian]

So whats the difference between a Romanian or Hungarian and a Syrian or Gambian person who travels to the UK looking for a better life? As far as I can see, one is legally allowed to however in the eyes of many people they are all one and the same

EU citizens have the right of free movement, and unless we leave the EU there's nothing we can do about that.

Economic migrants should be expected to apply via the Home Office. Personally I don't care what their reasons are for wanting to come to Europe or the UK, but why should it be a free-for-all where we take in the world's basket cases?

Asylum seekers have separate needs and we should certainly do our bit to help them.

Where I have a problem is with:
- migrants in Greece trying to walk over borders into Macedonia with no paperwork and no permission from that Government. Why does their status entitle them to ignore international borders and laws?
- migrants throwing away their ID and claiming asylum even if they are not genuine. They're simply stuffing it up for the genuine cases an tying up resources that would be better used in real cases.
- economic migrants that contribute nothing. Why do we need to accept applications that have no tangible benefit to the UK?

The question isn't why we see them as the same thing, it's why are you deliberately confusing them as the same thing?

[meridian]

There is no need for him to try harder as you have just answered the question yourself.

Some Spanish dislike the free movement idea as they dislike the drunken British yobs who turn up and then stay to do bar work. They also dislike the fact their health and social system now has to deal with British OAPs who have chronic conditions and can't speak a word of Spanish.

Point is in all EU and EEA countries segments of the population dislike the free movement idea.

As someone who has taken advantage of it and know others who have, the only thing that needs to change is how the British gives benefits to people.

The government have already done that with carers allowance so I personally don't understand why it's so damn hard to do with other benefits. The British government don't even bother checking if children actually exist before handing out the money in total opposite to the majority of other EU countries.

That's nice, but it doesn't answer the point.

Are you saying that if your scientist end engineer friends who don't speak English are from the EU then it's okay for us to dislike the situation?

[SueEllen]

That's nice, but it doesn't answer the point.

Are you saying that if your scientist end engineer friends who don't speak English are from the EU then it's okay for us to dislike the situation?

I have no problem with them coming here and not speaking English. I went abroad and didn't speak the local language.

They come here for many different reasons e.g following English speaking partner abroad, to see what the hype is about the country they seen and heard do much about.

They also don't all end up in low paying jobs in the service sector though they end up in export businesses which has nothing to do with their qualifications. This is due to speaking 2 languages. (Anyone who speaks fluent German can always find a job in the UK. ) They then have no choice but to learn English properly if they want to communicate effectively with all their colleagues etc which they do.

[SueEllen]

EU citizens have the right of free movement, and unless we leave the EU there's nothing we can do about that.

Economic migrants should be expected to apply via the Home Office. Personally I don't care what their reasons are for wanting to come to Europe or the UK, but why should it be a free-for-all where we take in the world's basket cases?

Asylum seekers have separate needs and we should certainly do our bit to help them.

Where I have a problem is with:
- migrants in Greece trying to walk over borders into Macedonia with no paperwork and no permission from that Government. Why does their status entitle them to ignore international borders and laws?
- migrants throwing away their ID and claiming asylum even if they are not genuine. They're simply stuffing it up for the genuine cases an tying up resources that would be better used in real cases.
- economic migrants that contribute nothing. Why do we need to accept applications that have no tangible benefit to the UK?

The question isn't why we see them as the same thing, it's why are you deliberately confusing them as the same thing?

We aren't deliberately confusing them as the same thing.

UKIP and the UK media have done that.

Also we aren't the world's basket case.

There are a lot of economic migrants around the world e.g. US has Central and Southern Americans, Thailand and Malaysia have Bangladeshis

Low skilled economic migrants know their best chance of staying in the UK is to claim asylum as the process is broken. The process being broken also means those with the right skills do come here and then stay illegally as they get the wrong information.

If it was very clear to people like with Australia and some other countries that if you had the right skills then you could get work and a right to stay then for example individual hospitals wouldn't have to send their staff on overseas recruitment drives. In other words our media isn't being helpful as every other story should have a link to this information.