UK net migration hits record high

[SueEllen]

Paramedics are in desperate short supply. Thy earn between £21 K and £28K pretty well irrespective of where they are based. If they paid more then more people would enter the profession. The existing workforce is driven to exhaustion to meet demand (even though they get paid overtime) and they are leaving in numbers. What is about to happen is that it will be outsourced to a private company where it will become very expensive. In the socialist Utopia of Corbyitis this is an example of why socialism can never work (without forcing people).

Why dont they simply increase the pay for paramedics independently of the rest of the NHS?

The ambulance service actually asked for some paramedics to take redundancy about 2 years ago because they were too expensive!!!

They were trying to turn break the ambulance service into trusts so they could be privatised and run for profit. Then suddenly they were too few of paramedics....

The main problems with the NHS are driven by the fact that the population as a demographic is getting older and fatter. Older people require more care plus over 10% of the NHS bill is spent on type 2 diabetes.

Migrants tend to be young and healthy so apart from births don't need to use the NHS unless it's an emergency.

The reason why A&Es are full of people (and not all are) is because it's impossible to get a GPs appointment in many areas especially the areas that are cheaper to live in where migrants tend to live in London and the SE. This is due to a shortage of GPs.

You have to ring up on the day and by the time you get through all the appointments are taken. If you try and book you have to wait 2-3 weeks by that time you are either an emergency, so the choice is line up for an appointment or go to A&E.

Oh and one of the worst GPs Surgery for getting an appointment is in a not very poor village in Surrey where they built loads of housing on brown field sites. People start queuing at 5am to get an on the day appointment.....

[DodgyAgent]

Has the decades of internal migration to the South East led to millions wanting to go back north again where houses are cheaper? Don't think so.

Immigration adds to the problem because young graduates from the EU come here and work for very little in and around London. If they were not allowed in to the UK the UK labour markets would force employers to set up in other regions of the UK

[DodgyAgent]

The ambulance service actually asked for some paramedics to take redundancy about 2 years ago because they were too expensive!!!

They were trying to turn break the ambulance service into trusts so they could be privatised and run for profit. Then suddenly they were too few of paramedics....

The main problems with the NHS are driven by the fact that the population as a demographic is getting older and fatter. Older people require more care plus over 10% of the NHS bill is spent on type 2 diabetes.

Migrants tend to be young and healthy so apart from births don't need to use the NHS unless it's an emergency.

The reason why A&Es are full of people (and not all are) is because it's impossible to get a GPs appointment in many areas especially the areas that are cheaper to live in where migrants tend to live in London and the SE. This is due to a shortage of GPs.

You have to ring up on the day and by the time you get through all the appointments are taken. If you try and book you have to wait 2-3 weeks by that time you are either an emergency, so the choice is line up for an appointment or go to A&E.

Oh and one of the worst GPs Surgery for getting an appointment is in a not very poor village in Surrey where they built loads of housing on brown field sites. People start queuing at 5am to get an on the day appointment.....

You have gone of fon a tangent that bears no relevance to my point.

[SueEllen]

You have gone of fon a tangent that bears no relevance to my point.

You are blaming migrants for the poor state of the infrastructure in this country e.g. lack of paramedics, over crowded NHS, expensive housing when in fact it's the lack of planning implemented by successive governments regardless of political colour.

There are towns and cities in the North where there is plenty of space but no one who has get up and go, including Brits, will stay there as there are no jobs...

[DodgyAgent]

You are blaming migrants for the poor state of the infrastructure in this country e.g. NHS, housing when in fact it's the lack of planning implemented by successive governments regardless of political colour.

There are towns and cities in the North where there is plenty of space but no one who has get up and go, including Brits, will stay there as there are no jobs...

I am not blaming migrants for the poor state of infrastructure at all! i am simply saying we do not need more migrants either working here, using our services or anything else. we are full. The only reason to bring migrants is where there are serious skills shortages. Most of these are caused by poor hiring practices, a refusal to pay decent wages. Open doors migration makes us lazy in how we motivate and prepare our own people.

[ZARDOZ]

Expect a green and pleasant area near you to be subjected to a mass building programme sometime soon.

I was talking to a bloke the other night on the train down to Bristol & he was saying that they're building another Bradley Stoke type development in the north of Bristol and its whole viability was predicated on the most insanely naive assumptions.

One of which was that there would be no significant increase in traffic congestion as extra bus routes would be put in place and everyone would want to use the bus

My local council used a similar excuse to build a big estate but not buses, river taxis! Along with BS about jobs a new school and doctors, none of which happened. The gridlock did though

[SueEllen]

I am not blaming migrants for the poor state of infrastructure at all! i am simply saying we do not need more migrants either working here, using our services or anything else. we are full. The only reason to bring migrants is where there are serious skills shortages. Most of these are caused by poor hiring practices, a refusal to pay decent wages. Open doors migration makes us lazy in how we motivate and prepare our own people.

We aren't full.

Go up North or to Wales. There are plenty of decaying buildings there.

If we had better planning and infrastructure then having more migrants wouldn't be an issue.....

[ZARDOZ]

My point is the problems aren't caused by immigration, as was being suggested. The reason the south east is so overcrowded is the shear number of northerners, scots, welsh etc. that have moved to the more prosperous south east over the decades, and not because of the increase in immigration in the last 10 years. And nobody's running around hysterically complaining about pressure on the NHS, schools, houses etc. from all those people, even though it's clear migration within the country causes exactly the same issues.

As Monkey says it's deeply twisted to claim immigration puts pressure on the NHS when the only reason the NHS works at all is because of the large number of immigrants they employ.

Nothing to do with immigration and high foreign birth rate? Over 75% of births to non UK born mothers in some districts.
One in four UK infants has a mother who was born overseas | Daily Mail Online

Bloody northerners!

[ZARDOZ]

We aren't full.

Go up North or to Wales. There are plenty of decaying buildings there.

If we had better planning and infrastructure then having more migrants wouldn't be an issue.....

Where specifically are you talking of and what are you suggesting?
You will find that many of the run down areas have a high proportion of immigrants see Bradford.

[SueEllen]

Nothing to do with immigration and high foreign birth rate? Over 75% of births to non UK born mothers in some districts.
One in four UK infants has a mother who was born overseas | Daily Mail Online

Bloody northerners!

Since I went to infant school with "foreign" born girls and know plenty of British men married to/having babies with "foreign" born women I take those statistics with a pinch of salt.