Only 5% of drivers who crash were breaking the speed limit

[BrilloPad]

motorists are watching their speedometers rather than concentrating on their driving?

B’locks, excessive and inappropriate speed yes, but the problem is that the cameras enforce the limit so rigorously that motorists are watching their speedometers rather than concentrating on their driving

Interesting how many people cannot flick their eyes down to their speedo every 10 seconds. But can chat on their mobile, smoke, eat, eye up the girl in the next car, etcetc.

[Paddy]

Interesting how many people cannot flick their eyes down to their speedo every 10 seconds. But can chat on their mobile, smoke, eat, eye up the girl in the next car, etcetc.

If you ar flicking your eyes down at the speedo every 10 secs then you are a bad driver.

[Pondlife]

Well you live and learn.......that's no more speeding for me in the 1960's

You are Threaded and I claim £5 in time machine vouchers

[BoredBloke]

I know somebody who got a speeding ticket through stating that he was clocked doing 31 in a 30 zone. That does not leave much margin for error.

[AtW]

From court's point of view even one mile over limit is excessive speed. Now however they are changing to give 2 points for small excess and more points if its higher.

You can't fight it saying that 1 mile is too small, in eyes of law it does not matter, but the fight should be that your speed was strictly under 30 and it is the camera that is at fault - 1 mph is well below error of measurement and CPS should drop such case unless you make some stupid mistake or just won't fight.

[Paddy]

I know somebody who got a speeding ticket through stating that he was clocked doing 31 in a 30 zone. That does not leave much margin for error.

There is no margin of error in the prosecution of speeding. If you contest the speed you have no alternative but to say that you were driving under the limit. Eg if you have a ticket for 35mph in a 30 zone, if will still be fined if you admit you were doing 31mph, it’s daft. You have to lie and say you were doing 29mph to get off.

“My friend” who was doing 36mph on an open dual carriageway with Amco barriers and not in a built up area was actually doing 32mph; but he has to say that he was doing 29mph. (By the way “My friend” measured the lines at the speed camera site and found the 15% shorter making the 15% out on the camera reading)

[AtW]

Whatever you do - don't lie in court because you will perjure yourself and this is by far worse charge that will stay on criminal record. Never lie in court - if you do not want to answer questions then you have the right to remain silent, though in some cases (often low end offences like speeding) it will be used against you (which IMO against human rights).

[Paddy]

Whatever you do - don't lie in court because you will perjure yourself and this is by far worse charge that will stay on criminal record. Never lie in court - if you do not want to answer questions then you have the right to remain silent, though in some cases (often low end offences like speeding) it will be used against you (which IMO against human rights).

AtW you view the British judicial system with rose tinted spectacles. I watched cases where policeman have blatantly lied and committed blatant perjury in court and it was proved so in court but nothing happened to the. Not even a rebuke by the judge.
No referring to the above I won a parking obstruction case in court yet again proving that the policewoman had lied in her statement. The Magistrate stopped the case half way through and dismissed the case pointing out that they could not accept any further police evidence as being truthful.

[xoggoth]

With a bit of DIY know how and a few bits of junk it is very easy to make your car completely undetectable by speed cameras

The stealth car

[AtW]

AtW you view the British judicial system with rose tinted spectacles. I watched cases where policeman have blatantly lied and committed blatant perjury in court and it was proved so in court but nothing happened to the. Not even a rebuke by the judge.

Until I know details of the case I would not take that seriously - there are obviously exceptions to the rules, but law is law - some people can get away with it, but there are plenty of cases where they did not, like that woman who lied on form who was driving the car at the time of speeding offence - she got 4 months in prison and rightfully so.

While I strongly disagree with the system of speeding convictions that rely on self-incrimination, it is certainly not acceptable to lie in court while defending yourself.