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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostCross border cooperation is totally different to a single unaccountable governing institution making laws for everyone.Comment
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Very quick Google brings up quite a few past and present differences. EU data protection law, restrictions on plastic bag use, human rights act, use of EU funds to bail out Euro, financial regulations, banking bonus controls, laws on fracking, restrictions on tobacco use, free movement, merchant shipping act, CETA, poultry meat rules.
I would say some of those could impact us all very significantly.bloggoth
If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?'
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Originally posted by minestrone View PostName me one law from the mythical European super state that has significantly impacted on you that has been opposed by the democratically elected government of the UK.Comment
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostVery quick Google brings up quite a few past and present differences. EU data protection law, restrictions on plastic bag use, human rights act, use of EU funds to bail out Euro, financial regulations, banking bonus controls, laws on fracking, restrictions on tobacco use, free movement, merchant shipping act, CETA, poultry meat rules.
I would say some of those could impact us all very significantly.
Yes, my life has been severely impacted due to plastic bag use.
You need to get a lifeComment
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostActually, you seem to be missing the point. We're not capable of (effectively) legislating on those things independently because the environmental sources, sinks and flows between them are completely unrelated to administrative borders, so policies taken in one jurisdiction can directly impact those taken in others. There are countless examples of this w/r to water pollution, river basin management, North Sea fisheries and many other areas of environmental protection/exploitation. Governments will look after their own citizens with one eye on election cycles. Environmental management requires a longer term approach based on cross-border agreement and coordinated action.
The trouble is the Greens actually believe this. Hence their love for the EU.Comment
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Originally posted by minestrone View PostName me one law from the mythical European super state that has significantly impacted on you that has been opposed by the democratically elected government of the UK.
To be fair it has tried occasionally. However every single time the UK has tried to block a law it opposes in the EU Council of Ministers that law has been introduced anyway.
http://forbritain.org/measuring_brit..._ministers.pdfLast edited by Flashman; 13 July 2015, 23:11.Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostWhat makes the European Union capable of making decisions on behalf of multiple member states? I find it quite astonishing that people like you can be so naive to think that an undemocratic institution can make any sort of decision for the benefit of people who have no say in how it is elected. Water management in the Uk is our own business. we do not share rivers with other countries. Because an institution sets itself out to be a benign corporation it never is unless it has the harsh levers of democracy controlling it. I would challenge you to give one example of where an institution with minmal accountability has ever exerted its authority in a way to benefit the people it is supposed to serve.
I also find it rather amusing (in a patronising sort of way) that you view national institutions as necessarily better at achieving the democratic accountability you espouse, with recent examples including the success of UKIP in the GE. Democracy in actionComment
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Originally posted by Flashman View PostSo the proles would be better off under some sort of Green fascism?Comment
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If Britain had implemented all EU laws from the council of ministers, it would have the Euro.
I think there is a flaw in the logic somewhere.Last edited by BlasterBates; 14 July 2015, 07:35.I'm alright JackComment
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