In or Out of the EU

[DodgyAgent]

They want independence so that they can be ruled directly by the EU

The EU fits perfectly with the narrative of the SNP. Big state ,lots of rules and control and jobs for the boys in the EU. Never mind a declining economy.

[expat]

not me. I thought why don't the sweatys just bugger off and stand on their own two feet instead of refusing to leave home but whining about it.

Something to do with all the main English parties joining together to make a last-minute "Vow" to prevent it. I'll give UKIP credit for one thing, they didn't do that despite the "UK" in their name; at least they know that "UK" means England.

So why don't the English quit it with these lies and bribes, and face it that the union is dead?
Why won't they give up with this "you couldn't make it without us, and anyway we won't let you"?
And why do you need the childish insults?

[expat]

The EU fits perfectly with the narrative of the SNP. Big state ,lots of rules and control and jobs for the boys in the EU. Never mind a declining economy.

I say let us free of your declining economy.

And the narrative of the SNP is a nation ruling itself, inside a larger organisation. The trouble with the UK is that it is too big for the first and too small for the second; and that it is essentially not Britain but England, which has become such a different nation from Scotland that there is little in common now in terms of the people that we want to be.

There is little now to keep us together, except pressure from London.

[ZARDOZ]

The question will be loaded in favour of staying in. The vote will be timed for maximum advantage. There will be millions spent on propaganda for staying in and BBC will intefere. They will use celebrities and scare tactics. Worked in Scotland and it will work here. Whatever happens it will not be an informed and fair vote. Wouldn't suprise me if they opened it up to 16yr olds to swing it

[expat]

The question will be loaded in favour of staying in. The vote will be timed for maximum advantage. There will be millions spent on propaganda for staying in and BBC will intefere. They will use celebrities and scare tactics. Worked in Scotland and it will work here. Whatever happens it will not be an informed and fair vote. Wouldn't suprise me if they opened it up to 16yr olds to swing it

I quite agree with you there (which is a relief to me, since for me, being European is more important than being British).

[Ticktock]

I quite agree with you there (which is a relief to me, since for me, being European is more important than being British).

Nationality isn't everything. You could always give up your UK passport now if you wanted. This discussion has nothing to do with where you identify as being from. I have neither UK nor Euro passport, so that aspect doesn't affect me.

The relationship of business and government between UK and Eurozone does affect me, and I have my opinions on that.

[Flashman]

Fighting talk on this blog.

"I don't tell you how to build aircraft so don't tell us how to run our country"

EU Referendum: mind your own businesses

Campaigners from both sides of the divide, and especially those in the proto "out" campaign, need to be telling businesses to mind their own businesses, and to stop interfering with matters that are not their business.

They may feel entitled to express concern about matters that directly affect their enterprises, and ask for their needs to be taken into account – and even support the sides that they believe represent their views, but they are not entitled to spread lies and scare stories in order to influence the debate.

And, in the final analysis, how we the people are governed is no concern of theirs. These businesses should be very, very careful about abusing their power and influence. Public patience is wearing thin.

Viva la Revolution!

[BlasterBates]

Perhaps someone could point out a rule that we can remove when we leave the EU.

Checking for money laundering ?

Airline safety ? that would save a bit

[expat]

Nationality isn't everything. You could always give up your UK passport now if you wanted. This discussion has nothing to do with where you identify as being from. I have neither UK nor Euro passport, so that aspect doesn't affect me.

The relationship of business and government between UK and Eurozone does affect me, and I have my opinions on that.

Agreed (sort of), for me it is not a case of where I am from, but where I belong. It is true that that divides into two aspects: where you feel you belong, philosophically if not physically; and where feels that you belong there, physically and legally.

As witness the wonderfully ironic possibility that was raised at the time of the last Scotland independence referendum, where it was said that the Scots, who are in favour of being in the EU, might end up not in the EU, whereas the English, who might not be in favour of being in the EU, would remain inside it.

[VectraMan]

The question will be loaded in favour of staying in. The vote will be timed for maximum advantage. There will be millions spent on propaganda for staying in and BBC will intefere. They will use celebrities and scare tactics. Worked in Scotland and it will work here. Whatever happens it will not be an informed and fair vote. Wouldn't suprise me if they opened it up to 16yr olds to swing it

The question will be something like "Should the UK remain in the EU?". How exactly is it going to be loaded in favour of staying in? Give examples.