In or Out of the EU

[Avalonia]

The elections are a pathetic charade. Real power is wielded by the commission from deep within their bunker.

[MicrosoftBob]

The elections are a pathetic charade. Real power is wielded by the commission from deep within their bunker.

Presumably there is much mention of a thousand year EU

[DodgyAgent]

Switzerland has signed up to all this "control" as well.

Why ?

Because all these regulations are rules by which you can access the EU market.

what will happen when the UK leaves is first of all they will pronounce that we are now longer bound by EU regulations, then they negotiate a free trade agreement with the EU and then reapply all the regulations that they supposedly got rid of.

Just go to Switzerland and look for a border guard that will check your passport....there isn't one, even though the Swiss love to check passports.

If the UK leaves it will still apply the same regulations, but without any influence about what the EU regulations are. You would be surprised how influential the UK is in shaping the EU.

The EU won't disappear when the UK leaves and it will still be dominant, but after the UK leaves it will be a big monster over which the UK has no influence.

This is like ignoring the second world war and saying we'll just keep out of it. The EU dominates the Swiss newspapers and its politics, and it's national bank is now stuffed full of Euros.

We are not Switzerland. Your argument about "inevitability" does not stack up. Just as the Soviet Union collapsed so will the EU. right now it is a busted model that is on a downwards spiral. You would do better to argue some positives about its future rather than use the scaremongering tactics of the anti change self interest stereotype.

[DodgyAgent]

Except for the elections every couple of years of course.

To elect some faceless individual who is part of a self serving regime with powers to only approve/veto legislation.

[BrilloPad]

To elect some faceless individual who is part of a self serving regime with powers to only approve/veto legislation.

Much like UK elections.

[Avalonia]

just like the USSR the evil empire will not give up without s fight. I hope not too many people die to see it killed off.

[SunnyInHades]

Just now, 21 May 2015..

Net migration to UK reaches 318,000, up 50%

"highest total for a decade"
"The number of Romanian and Bulgarians moving to the UK doubled to 46,000 in 2014"
"Employment of non-British EU nationals in the UK in January to March 2015 was 283,000 higher than the previous year"

[DodgyAgent]

Just now, 21 May 2015..

Net migration to UK reaches 318,000, up 50%

"highest total for a decade"
"The number of Romanian and Bulgarians moving to the UK doubled to 46,000 in 2014"
"Employment of non-British EU nationals in the UK in January to March 2015 was 283,000 higher than the previous year"

Mine the channel

[BlasterBates]

We are not Switzerland. Your argument about "inevitability" does not stack up. Just as the Soviet Union collapsed so will the EU. right now it is a busted model that is on a downwards spiral. You would do better to argue some positives about its future rather than use the scaremongering tactics of the anti change self interest stereotype.

A quick lesson in "real politic"

from our Prime Minister

Norway sits on the biggest energy reserves in Europe, and has a sovereign wealth fund of over 500 billion euros. And while Norway is part of the single market – and pays for the principle - it has no say at all in setting its rules: it just has to implement its directives.

The Swiss have to negotiate access to the Single Market sector by sector. Accepting EU rules – over which they have no say – or else not getting full access to the Single Market, including in key sectors like financial services.

http://http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9820230/David-Camerons-EU-speech-in-full.html

That's how it is....

Ignoring the EU is as much an option as if Churchill and stood up and said we should withdraw from the 2nd world war.

and your argument will hold sway when the EU does collapse, but it hasn't, has it. The single market is still there its in tact and we can't really afford to sit on our bottoms waiting for it "to collapse".

[Zero Liability]

If it's reformed to be nothing but a free trade association in; otherwise, out.