is it fair

[minestrone]

I didn't know they drunk wife beater over in krankie land

Only sold in up market places like macro.

[Batcher]

I didn't know they drunk wife beater over in krankie land

They only sell it to people who have no chance of ever having a wife.

[Ticktock]

They only sell it to people who have no chance of ever having a wife.

So that's what the ladies drink while the men are on the Buckie?





(Yes, gay marriage, I know. Ignored so I can make a joke)

[d000hg]

Is there a system where one can vote for their local MP, AND for which party they want to be in power? I'm not sure how the logistics would work out... if your local MP doesn't make the PR 'cut' then they aren't allowed to vote in the Commons or something like that?

Does this exist?

[Ticktock]

Is there a system where one can vote for their local MP, AND for which party they want to be in power? I'm not sure how the logistics would work out... if your local MP doesn't make the PR 'cut' then they aren't allowed to vote in the Commons or something like that?

Does this exist?

Are you asking for essentially two elections? One for your local rep, and a separate vote for which party should lead? Not sure how that would work, as everyone could vote Party A rep for themselves, but Party B to lead

[d000hg]

Are you asking for essentially two elections? One for your local rep, and a separate vote for which party should lead?

Something along those lines. It sounds a bit clunky to me too.

[Ticktock]

Something along those lines. It sounds a bit clunky to me too.

I guess what's meant to be happening is that everyone is voting for their local rep, and no-one is voting for a leader.

I suspect that quite often it's the reverse, however.

[VectraMan]

Are you asking for essentially two elections? One for your local rep, and a separate vote for which party should lead? Not sure how that would work, as everyone could vote Party A rep for themselves, but Party B to lead

Like what I said before. I'm not quite sure how the US works, but the President's party can end up with a minority in Congress and The Senate, but he still remains President.

So perhaps we vote for the PM and government in one election and have a different election for MPs half way through.

[TykeMerc]

Like what I said before. I'm not quite sure how the US works, but the President's party can end up with a minority in Congress and The Senate, but he still remains President.

So perhaps we vote for the PM and government in one election and have a different election for MPs half way through.

I'd rather NOT have a presidential type election, the feckwits are too full of themselves as it is.

As to the "Is it fair?" question posted by the sockie, there was a vote on alternative voting methods a while back and it was defeated this country uses the First Past the Post system which has a raft of problems, just as many problems as other alternatives, they're just different ones.

There isn't in truth a fair electoral system as it's too easy to corrupt.

[Eirikur]

A big problem with PR is that you have party lists, who gets to be MPsis chosen by the party machine, so in pure(ish) PR there is an ordered list.

So the bigwigs are the safest (no possibility of an "up for Portillo" moment) and they work their way down. In UK terms, about each 30,000 votes would gift a seat to a party, but voters would have zero choice in which individuals they were.

Also the current crop of PR countries which include Italy, Greece, Israel et al aren't exactly shining examples of good governance.

A this point, someone will say "Germany", which is a rich, peaceful country, which is true.

Then one is rather forced to point out that the Weimar Republic that brought the Nazis to power was PR.

Germany is a rich and peaceful country for 70 years now. No wars against Argentina, Iraq, Korea or Afghanistan in that period.
In the Netherlands you can still give preferential votes so someone on the list that you like, quite often people get directly elected this way even when they were on a so called unelectable place.