Climate change propaganda is simply a ruse for a socialist agenda

[DodgyAgent]

I know that quoting single sentences from 15 year old 'rent-a-quote' opinion pieces is what counts as debate around here, however back in 2010, we did not know how fast the Arctic ice would decline, nor what effect this would have on the atmospheric flows that govern UK climate. In 2012 a study was published …



Impact of declining Arctic sea ice on winter snowfall | Climate Etc.

Its from BB's favourite climate scientist, so it must be true ...

So if you did not know why make the prediction?

[EternalOptimist]

This has been going on long enough.

Forget graphs, forget scientist spouting arguments one way or the other.

Can anyone show me clear evidence of the effects of global warming/climate change/ whatever it is we are supposed to be getting so worried about?

And by evidence I mean a picture I can see?

The only way to do this is by ignoring the activists, ignore the politics, ignore the ad-homs and to ignore the spin.
You will probably be left with your own experience plus a few people who you know are observant, reliable and who don't have any skin in the game

[original PM]

There's a whole book

I am looking for photo's of displaced millions, cities underwater and no longer habitable urban areas.

Not a few fookin photo's of some obscure villages which may or may not have been affected by climate change - and by that I mean more than a bit of localised flooding.


but then I am unlikely to get that eh..

[pjclarke]

So if you did not know why make the prediction?

The source of the 'prediction' quoted was a filler piece in the opinion pages of a newspaper website, written by a business journalist probably by ringing round a few Universities for quotes and paraphrasing the results. None of the primary sources - IPCC Assessment Reports and the literature - were predicting an imminent end to snowfall in the UK.

But if you have no actual science to back you up, well you have to resort to third rate science journalism....

[BlasterBates]

I know that quoting single sentences from 15 year old 'rent-a-quote' opinion pieces is what counts as debate around here, however back in 2010, we did not know how fast the Arctic ice would decline, nor what effect this would have on the atmospheric flows that govern UK climate. In 2012 a study was published …



Impact of declining Arctic sea ice on winter snowfall | Climate Etc.

Its from BB's favourite climate scientist, so it must be true ...

That's interesting. Here is an article from the same source on the fraudulent hockey stick or was it just fundamentally flawed?

Fraudulent(?) hockey stick | Climate Etc.

what do you think, fraud or scientific incompetence ?

[pjclarke]

I am looking for photo's of displaced millions, cities underwater and no longer habitable urban areas.

Not a few fookin photo's of some obscure villages which may or may not have been affected by climate change - and by that I mean more than a bit of localised flooding.

but then I am unlikely to get that eh..

I guess you wait until you're just about to hit the wall before applying the brakes?

Stern report: the key points | Politics | The Guardian
Climate change 'kills 300,000 every year' - Telegraph

[EternalOptimist]

I guess you wait until you're just about to hit the wall before applying the brakes?

Stern report: the key points | Politics | The Guardian
Climate change 'kills 300,000 every year' - Telegraph

exactly the same argument my RE teacher used to try to get me to go to church

[DimPrawn]

I am looking for photo's of displaced millions, cities underwater and no longer habitable urban areas.

Not a few fookin photo's of some obscure villages which may or may not have been affected by climate change - and by that I mean more than a bit of localised flooding.


but then I am unlikely to get that eh..

Well the Maldives have gone now like it was predicted, based on the 5m sea level rise....
The poles are ice free and everyone in Africa is dead.

[BlasterBates]

I guess you wait until you're just about to hit the wall before applying the brakes?

Stern report: the key points | Politics | The Guardian
Climate change 'kills 300,000 every year' - Telegraph

and if we switched off all the fossil fuel powered stations tomorrow ?

...and houses weren't heated in Winter
....and food couldn't be manufactured?

and is life expectancy lower than it was in the 17th century before we started pumping out CO2 ?

Would we have more or less deaths in total ?

[pjclarke]

That's interesting. Here is an article from the same source on the fraudulent hockey stick or was it just fundamentally flawed?

what do you think, fraud or scientific incompetence ?

Neither. Paleo reconstructions are not Curry's field, as became painfully obvious when she stepped into a debate over a review of a book making similar claims, and had her head handed to her ...

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