Next Falklands war

[DodgyAgent]

Your premise that someone who is rich cannot have an opinion is daft. You are rich enough not be troubled either, and he is likely to be hurt far more my Labour tax increases than you

Anyone can have an opinion. My point about rich left wing people is that they have enjoyed the trappings of wealth brought to them by the laws of supply and demand and capitalism. Yet they seek to prevent others reaping the same rewards by dismantling all the things that have enabled them to become well off. They do it because they feel guilt. But instead of parting with their own wealth or changing their own lifestyle they try to ruin it for everyone else just so they can be seen to be morally virtuous.
The worst example of this is the founder of S3 who started computer futures. He is now worth £100 million and is a labour councillor in Merton. He has exploited every extreme of capitalism to get his wealth. Little social consciousness in his pursuit of wealth he now wants to be seen as a man who "cares" about others, He is very generous but only because he is buying friends and influence. He has sent all his kids to private school and now he wants to impose a socialist system on everyone else just because he wants to be popular and to be seen as a kind person.
The hypocrisy of the affluent left is quite staggering.

[d000hg]

Anyone can have an opinion. My point about rich left wing people is that they have enjoyed the trappings of wealth brought to them by the laws of supply and demand and capitalism. Yet they seek to prevent others reaping the same rewards by dismantling all the things that have enabled them to become well off. They do it because they feel guilt. But instead of parting with their own wealth or changing their own lifestyle they try to ruin it for everyone else just so they can be seen to be morally virtuous.

I don't think that's true at all. You're obsessed with the idea that lefties want to stop anyone succeeding. This isn't true at all (well maybe the real extremists). They are happy to do well for themselves and for others to have the opportunity to do likewise, as long as this isn't at the expense of those at the bottom of the food chain. They object to the top .1% earning millions while the bottom 10% struggle to feed themselves, but that doesn't mean they object to people earning a lot.

You seem desperate to put people in a position you can argue against. You confuse compassion with guilt.

[unixman]

I have no problem with lefties being rich. They can swig campaign while quoting Tony Benn, no problem, especially if they are generous with the bubbly.

The self-loathing thing really needs to be got beyond. Self loathing is just another form of self-obsession. As is its near relative, self-pity. Self-pity never helped anybody.

[pjclarke]

You're obsessed with the idea that lefties want to stop anyone succeeding. This isn't true at all (well maybe the real extremists). They are happy to do well for themselves and for others to have the opportunity to do likewise, as long as this isn't at the expense of those at the bottom of the food chain. They object to the top .1% earning millions while the bottom 10% struggle to feed themselves, but that doesn't mean they object to people earning a lot.

You seem desperate to put people in a position you can argue against. You confuse compassion with guilt.

The 'hypocrite' exemplar is Bill Bottriel, an apparently unelected local council candidate, not really in much of a position to dismantle capitalism, even if he wanted to.

Which I doubt. Labour != Socialist. Dodgy really needs to be less paranoid; even a majority Labour Government would not prevent recruitment agents to continue 'exploiting every extreme of capitalism to get their wealth'.

[darmstadt]

There are loads of commentators who talk about this subject.

And at the end of the day, thats all it is, just talk...

[DodgyAgent]

I don't think that's true at all. You're obsessed with the idea that lefties want to stop anyone succeeding. This isn't true at all (well maybe the real extremists). They are happy to do well for themselves and for others to have the opportunity to do likewise, as long as this isn't at the expense of those at the bottom of the food chain. They object to the top .1% earning millions while the bottom 10% struggle to feed themselves, but that doesn't mean they object to people earning a lot.

You seem desperate to put people in a position you can argue against. You confuse compassion with guilt.

This is what gets me. That somehow wealthy lefties want to help the poor . No they don't they just want to deal with their own guilt in a way that does not involve them giving away their money or having to engage with poor people. The reason Boris Johnson is so at ease talking to people is because he treats them as equals whereas the likes of Gordon Brown cannot. Furthermore Since when has taxation been an efficient way of redistributing wealth? None of the increase tax brigade see tax other than pouring in more money or in reality a punishment for being rich?. None of them ever challenge how that tax is spent. they are too busy trying to patronise the poor by telling them "there there" we care so we will keep you in your place "here have some more benefits and here is our tulip school where you can send your children. Just be grateful and remember you are now dependent on labour so keep voting for us. No labour constituency has ever elevated its people beyond state dependency.

if people really cared about the poor they would demand more from the public services and the institutions that are paid for out of tax.

If people want to help the poor then educate them and train them by giving them the means to compete with the elite from the best schools. voting for a socialist government which is just going to bankrupt the economy will make the poor poorer and bring more into poverty is an immoral act of selfishness by anyone who is affluent . It is no coincidence that the last two labour governments have left people out of work and destitute.

The left has no idea of how to generate wealth.

[DodgyAgent]

The 'hypocrite' exemplar is Bill Bottriel, an apparently unelected local council candidate, not really in much of a position to dismantle capitalism, even if he wanted to.

Which I doubt. Labour != Socialist. Dodgy really needs to be less paranoid; even a majority Labour Government would not prevent recruitment agents to continue 'exploiting every extreme of capitalism to get their wealth'.

As a major donor to the labour party he has more influence and power to damage capitalism than most. And one thing is for certain that the more left wing the government the poorer they will leave the country when they are eventually booted out.

[Fishface]

Britain violated the rights of the Argentinian settlers when she kicked them off by force just six generations ago. Our 'rights' to the rock date back to that act of aggression....

... The rights of the displaced Argentinians were presumably just a 'diversion'.

So 'principles' have an expiry date. Glad we cleared that up.
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there were no settled 'argentines' on these islands ever.

Their claim is based on the islands being on their oceanic shelf today - much in the same way Jamaica belongs to Mexico as it sits on their shelf - and their complete disregard for the concept of international waters and also believe 1/6 of Antarctica is Argentine territory and should be renamed (see the passport, maps etc)... and lets not forget their shelf was part of a territory that was not colonised by the argentines at the time, Mitre's conquist and slaughter started much later .

[MicrosoftBob]

there were no settled 'argentines' on these islands ever.

Their claim is based on the islands being on their oceanic shelf today - much in the same way Jamaica belongs to Mexico as it sits on their shelf - and their complete disregard for the concept of international waters and also believe 1/6 of Antarctica is Argentine territory and should be renamed (see the passport, maps etc)... and lets not forget their shelf was part of a territory that was not colonised by the argentines at the time, Mitre's conquist and slaughter started much later .

It's allright he'll probably start on give Argentina back to the Welsh next, free the disputed Patagonian territories !!!!

[SpontaneousOrder]

I don't think that's true at all. You're obsessed with the idea that lefties want to stop anyone succeeding. This isn't true at all.

They don't think they do, but they do. They're all about 'equality' - a horrid, anti-human ideal where the only way to bring it about is to hobble anyone who excels.

A rational ideal would be to want more for the poor. Instead they want less for the rich - and in the process impoverish the poor by biting the hand that feeds them.