SNP in practice

[d000hg]

I think Ed is more to the left - so much so that the Tories have come slightly more to the left this campaign to fill the gap and try to pinch centrist voters.

[TestMangler]

Oh do at least try to be the slightest bit objective.

I could see a ConLab alliance only if SNP appear determined to be a PITA in a way that upsets the English public. A way to give the bird to SNP as a temporary measure until they can figure out how to have another election which SNP can't ruin... but I don't know if/how that can be done.

And that's why English politics is so utterly f****d, when idiots spout dumb opinions like that.

How can a party who wins seats at an election be people voting for them 'ruin' an election

You are Boris Johnson and I claim my £5

[BlasterBates]

Basically you have a choice of Labour tax a bit more and spend a bit more, or conservative tax a bit less spend a bit less.

If you're in Scotland you can vote SNP who tax a bit less and spend a bit more and get the English to fund the difference.

[TestMangler]

Basically you have a choice of Labour tax a bit more and spend a bit more, or conservative tax a bit less spend a bit less.

If you're in Scotland you can vote SNP who tax a bit less and spend a bit more and get the English to fund the difference.

Thanks for that though, it's only fair to tell you that we appreciate your subsidy. We need a bit more though, any chance you could all work Sunday ?

[d000hg]

How can a party who wins seats at an election be people voting for them 'ruin' an election

Winning seats is good. Using their seats to prevent a government being formed... if you can't see that you're pretty stupid.

[TestMangler]

Winning seats is good. Using their seats to prevent a government being formed... if you can't see that you're pretty stupid.

So you are saying that, for example, labour winning enough seats to stop the tories winning the election outright and therefore having the power to prevent a government being formed also ruins it ?

England and Wales, non of whom can vote SNP have over 90% of the electorate. If you idiots can't decide who you want to govern you, then you would end up with a messy coalition anyway, regardless of the nationality of the minor parties and one of the large parties would be prevented from forming a government. I think you're just a racist as you're only complaining because it's the SNP.

[Batcher]

Oh do at least try to be the slightest bit objective.

I could see a ConLab alliance only if SNP appear determined to be a PITA in a way that upsets the English public. A way to give the bird to SNP as a temporary measure until they can figure out how to have another election which SNP can't ruin... but I don't know if/how that can be done.

That's why I think that would be seen to be 'material change' for another independence referendum. In the event of a grand coalition, next year's SNP manifesto would have a referendum included pointing to the fact that Scots voices in the UK were blocked by Tory/Labour in England. They wouldn't have a mandate to govern Scotland if the polls are correct and they only get 6 seats up here.

52% of Scots who are definitely voting have indicated they will vote SNP. A few of those will be No voters but they will be easily turned to Yes when they see the injustice (perceived or otherwise) of a grand coalition

[TestMangler]

Cameron for PM, with Mr Ed as his deputy, with a cabinet split 51/49 Tory/labour.

That would be absolutely the perfect outcome !!!!

[Batcher]

Winning seats is good. Using their seats to prevent a government being formed... if you can't see that you're pretty stupid.

They would only be using their seats to support Milliband if he gives concessions to the SNP. How desperate is Milliband to be PM? That is the question

[Batcher]

That used to be the case, but no longer - this government included it in the Fixed Term Parliament Act.

So you can fail to pass the budget or the Queen's speech, but you still require a separate vote of no confidence.

Yes, you are correct. My understanding was that not being able to present a Queen's Speech would be an effective vote of no confidence and it could be used in that case but it's possible it would need to go to a vote.