May 7th

[Ticktock]

Nicola gave the example of being dragged out of the EU against our will i.e. if a majority in England votes to leave and a majority in Scotland votes to stay in.

A grand coalition would be another example of a material change. You knew that though, or are you really that stupid?

So, in your view, the SNP having no power to dictate terms in the UK parliament is a material change?

Are you really that stupid?

[Batcher]

If you honestly think (truly, not just as a forum troll) deep in your heart that Scottish independence is a great idea then you need to put your brain care specialist on alert.

There are brutal realities not the least of which is that Scotland would have to apply to join the EU which could easily be veto'd by countries with regions that would love to break away and if they did join then the entry requirements would be onerous at best. Then there's currency, government, institutions the reality of a population used to the support of the rest of the UK, companies leaving that want to be in the UK, endless list of stuff which in truth would take decades to resolve and during transition would cause utter chaos.

For that matter would you REALLY honestly want a permanent socialist Government? There's no prospect of more right of center politics taking off in the land of haggis and jimmy wigs!

I've read it but all I'm getting is blah, blah, blah.

Why would Scotland fail as an independent country when most other small nations in the world are quite successful as independents?

I think that's what you're not getting. We don't care if we're a fiver better off or a fiver worse off independent. We would have rough times and we would have good times just like the rUK. We just want to be able to look after ourselves because Westminster isn't working for us.

You just have to look at the horror stories about SNP MPs and calling Nicola Sturgeon the most dangerous woman in Britain. The talk of a grand coalition would just be to stop Scotland having a voice in the 'democracy' in the 'family of nations'.

Say what you like about the oil, if we didn't have it Westminster would have given us our independence years ago. Oil is the only reason the UK followed the USA into Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Search YouTube for Craig Murray, ex British Ambassador for a video of the real reasons for the Afghan war.

[Batcher]

So, in your view, the SNP having no power to dictate terms in the UK parliament is a material change?

Are you really that stupid?

Yes it would be a material change. Scotland would have a mandate to call for another referendum if their MPs were blocked from having any influence in parliament.

[Flashman]

Yes it would be a material change. Scotland would have a mandate to call for another referendum if their MPs were blocked from having any influence in parliament.

The population of Yorkshire and the Humber on census day (27 March 2011) was 5.3 million. The population on Census Day in Scotland was 5,295,000.

Why is such a small part of the UK making demands on the rest? Scotland that is not Yorkshire.

[xoggoth]

What's happening on May 7th then? Not heard anything about it.

[MercladUK]

I've read it but all I'm getting is blah, blah, blah.

Why would Scotland fail as an independent country when most other small nations in the world are quite successful as independents?

I think that's what you're not getting. We don't care if we're a fiver better off or a fiver worse off independent. We would have rough times and we would have good times just like the rUK. We just want to be able to look after ourselves because Westminster isn't working for us.

You just have to look at the horror stories about SNP MPs and calling Nicola Sturgeon the most dangerous woman in Britain. The talk of a grand coalition would just be to stop Scotland having a voice in the 'democracy' in the 'family of nations'.

Say what you like about the oil, if we didn't have it Westminster would have given us our independence years ago. Oil is the only reason the UK followed the USA into Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Search YouTube for Craig Murray, ex British Ambassador for a video of the real reasons for the Afghan war.

But you voted to stay in the UK, so end of.

Why continue to discuss independence?

[Batcher]

The population of Yorkshire and the Humber on census day (27 March 2011) was 5.3 million. The population on Census Day in Scotland was 5,295,000.

Why is such a small part of the UK making demands on the rest? Scotland that is not Yorkshire.

The establishment is not threatening to take away the rights of democratically elected MPs in Yorkshire & Humberside.

[Batcher]

But you voted to stay in the UK, so end of.

Why continue to discuss independence?

No I didn't

Taking your argument that we voted to stay part of the UK, don't you think it's fair that our MPs have a say in the UK parliament? Don't forget that if every English MP votes the same way, The 59 Scottish MPs vote won't matter to the outcome.

We're discussing the general election but part of that is related to the independence referendum in that we were promised (the 'vow') more powers (Devo Max or Home Rule in fact) but they are being reneged on. We knew it would happen but some people were scared into voting no. After the election we will have a clearer idea of how the land lies to see if we need to go for another referendum next year.

We are on the road to independence, it's just a matter of time.

[WordIsBond]

The establishment is not threatening to take away the rights of democratically elected MPs in Yorkshire & Humberside.

MPs in a minority party with less than 60 MPs have the RIGHT to be part of a ruling coalition. Who would have guessed?

We are on the road to independence (snip)

It takes oil to drive these days, and you'll run out before you reach the end of that road.

[cojak]

I'm rather looking forward to watching the SNP wiping Labour off the map in Scotland.

UKIP won't do the same to the Conservatives but you have to wonder if collectively the smaller parties will give them a worried moment or two.

It's all quite exciting.