Nice role but permie, what would you do?

[Ltd]

If you like the offered role but it is permie, do you usually try to convince an employer/agent to convert the role into a contract? And if so, how frequently it turns out to be successful? If the answer is no, do you still accept the permie role? Or do you walk away and wait on bench for a contract?

[alreadypacked]

If you like the offered role but it is permie, do you usually try to convince an employer/agent to convert the role into a contract? And if so, how frequently it turns out to be successful? If the answer is no, do you still accept the permie role? Or do you walk away and wait on bench for a contract?

Standard reply "how big is your warchest?"

[vwdan]

Can't see anyone "converting" a permie role into a contract one and I certainly wouldn't bother trying - sounds like an IR35 nightmare at best.

And is this role literally being offered - as in you've interviewed? Personally I ignore permie roles, but I guess if a nice job came up that paid what I take home now then I could be persuaded - still not sure though - I'd need to know if they do "365 Reviews", first.

If I was desperate then I'd go for it and quit ASAP, thereby perpetuating the belief that contractors are flaky!

[MyUserName]

If you like the offered role but it is permie, do you usually try to convince an employer/agent to convert the role into a contract? And if so, how frequently it turns out to be successful? If the answer is no, do you still accept the permie role? Or do you walk away and wait on bench for a contract?

I have been contacted about a perm role once when I was contracting. I refused, they phoned back and offered it as a contract. I accepted. They said that there would be an opportunity to join as a perm 6-9 months down the line. I took it anyways and was there for over two years. Probably would have had an awkward time if an IR35 investigation really kicked in though.

[VectraMan]

Can't see anyone "converting" a permie role into a contract one and I certainly wouldn't bother trying - sounds like an IR35 nightmare at best.

Depends what rate you're after. It's asking for twice as much money that'll make it unlikely.

[tomtomagain]

If you like the offered role but it is permie, do you usually try to convince an employer/agent to convert the role into a contract? And if so, how frequently it turns out to be successful? If the answer is no, do you still accept the permie role? Or do you walk away and wait on bench for a contract?

Is the role more important to you than being a contractor? There's no reason not to become permie if that's what you want to do.

Doesn't stop you becoming a contractor again in the future.

If I interviewed for a permie role then I would have decided that being permie with that company was acceptable to me *before* going to the interview.

[Ltd]

It's asking for twice as much money that'll make it unlikely.

Very good point. To me this is still a surprise why companies are prepared to pay contractors twice as much money for doing the same job permies do?

[NickFitz]

Very good point. To me this is still a surprise why companies are prepared to pay contractors twice as much money for doing the same job permies do?

Usually because they don't need a permie. If they take a permie on, they're left with the hassle of making them redundant when there's no longer any work to do.

[Ltd]

Usually because they don't need a permie. If they take a permie on, they're left with the hassle of making them redundant when there's no longer any work to do.

Please correct me if I am wrong but within first year of employment (actually two - thank you, conservatives) permie cannot go to employment tribunal (well... unless something really wrong like racial/sexual harassment took place). So there is no hassle, employer just needs to pay for notice period while may still require a permie to work through notice. And redundancy notice period can be as short as one week if employed between one month and 2 years.

[suityou01]

If you like the offered role but it is permie, do you usually try to convince an employer/agent to convert the role into a contract? And if so, how frequently it turns out to be successful? If the answer is no, do you still accept the permie role? Or do you walk away and wait on bench for a contract?

If you're MF you take the permie gig no questions asked, then download porn onto the standard issue low spec acer laptop until it breaks.

HTH