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This Farage Immigrants with HIV Business
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Last edited by vetran; 7 April 2015, 15:55.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. -
Originally posted by vetran View Postno there are just more of them so there are more to get infected, that was highlighted in the second part of the sentence. Good to see your brain is open and unbiased as usual.
Clarkie pointed out that HIV was rising fastest among gay men in general rather than than men of black African origin, so are you suggesting the latter may be more heterosexual and therefore somehow more dangerous?Are you a loser?
Didn't do too well at school?
Can't make it in the most dynamic economy in Europe?
No good with women?
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[QUOTE]well that was the only one graph that specified whether it was contracted abroad. You have a breakdown for MSM UK/Abroad ?[QUOTE]
Erm, Figure 4.
Eyeballing and combining the graphs, around 1/3 new infections seemed to have occurred overseas, but hey, a third, a half, easily confused.
I wish to coin a new term: A Farragian Number.My subconscious is annoying. It's got a mind of its own.Comment
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Originally posted by Euler View PostYou seem to have tied yourself in knots - we were originally debating whether health tourism was a valid issue for Nigel to have raised with regard to HIV in particular.
Clarkie pointed out that HIV was rising fastest among gay men in general rather than than men of black African origin, so are you suggesting the latter may be more heterosexual and therefore somehow more dangerous?
Half of new heterosexual infections and according to 'Clarkie' 25% of Homosexual infections are linked to immigration if we test prior to admission Heterosexual infection will halve and Homosexual will fall by a quarter. That is simple and easy to accept surely?
This method offers significant savings, even if we tested and still admitted them we would be able to get them on a treatment regime that saved money long term, antivirals are a lot cheaper than long term hospital care for AIDs. They can even work and pay tax to contribute to their care before falling ill.
We are also talking about many more diseases that can be passed without intimate contact such as drug resistant TB.
Now maybe we have a separate problem with Gay men and heterosexuals adopting safe sex but that has little no bearing on the comments from Farage.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by pjclarke View Post
I wish to coin a new term: A Farragian Number.
I'm perectly willing to be shown a Cameronian too.Are you a loser?
Didn't do too well at school?
Can't make it in the most dynamic economy in Europe?
No good with women?
Then VOTE UKIP! We'll make you whole againComment
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[QUOTE=pjclarke;2077971][QUOTE]well that was the only one graph that specified whether it was contracted abroad. You have a breakdown for MSM UK/Abroad ?
Erm, Figure 4.
Eyeballing and combining the graphs, around 1/3 new infections seemed to have occurred overseas, but hey, a third, a half, easily confused.
I wish to coin a new term: A Farragian Number.
Targeting tests to high risk groups rather than worrying whether we will offend someone what a novel medical approach.
Maybe we can extend this to crime fighting and social care?Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Clarkie pointed out that HIV was rising fastest among gay men in general rather than than men of black African originLast edited by xoggoth; 7 April 2015, 16:59.bloggoth
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostAs usual with that idiot Clarke, missing the main point. ?Are you a loser?
Didn't do too well at school?
Can't make it in the most dynamic economy in Europe?
No good with women?
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Originally posted by vetran View Postso we could cut infections by a third? ?
And I am not sure you can infer that everyone who became infected abroad is a foreign migrant.
But most probably are, even so I think a simple 'ban HIV+ individuals and save millions' is a crude argument. What of families who wish to come here, one of whom has HIV? What of the other conditions? Apply a cost/benefit to cancer patients, smokers, obese people? What are the costs of policing the ban ? What of British nationals with chronic conditions wishing to emigrate?My subconscious is annoying. It's got a mind of its own.Comment
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Originally posted by pjclarke View PostApply a cost/benefit to ...smokers, obese people?
Why these groups of people should expect to be treated for free is something I don't understand.Are you a loser?
Didn't do too well at school?
Can't make it in the most dynamic economy in Europe?
No good with women?
Then VOTE UKIP! We'll make you whole againComment
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